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Parents who perform unnecessary surgery on their children because society says they should are bad parents.
That might seem harsh, but it's true. You have a responsibility to make the right choices for your kids, and "society" doesn't get a vote.
I faced the same question, but found it to be a no-brainer. You don't perform unnecessary surgery on a baby.
The reason it is performed in the US is to stop boys from masturbating.
Ignore any excuses for doing it that people have come up with since. That's the only reason the US started doing it, and every other reason is just people trying to rationalize why they keep doing it.
The "reasons" people come up with to explain it now are based on extremely unlikely events. All the serious issues that come up are avoided with proper hygiene. Unless they still have a stupid masturbation hangup, it all comes down to this:
Parents feel icky about having to explain to their child how to wash their penis.
If you can't handle that, I'll tell you right now that you're going to have a hell of a lot tougher conversations.
What I told them was to imagine they were wearing a hoodie in the shower. You'd need to pull the hood back before shampooing your hair. Same thing goes for the little head, but don't use shampoo, that might burn.
Not circumcising my kids only caused me one problem:
My mom reacted like it was a direct personal attack on her, because I was circumcised. She saw it as me saying she was wrong. I found it difficult to convince her that I was not judging her. She didn't have the same information available to her as I did. When I was born, she didn't really have a choice.
That's me you're talking about. And yes. I agree 100%.
Letting them do an elective surgery on my healthy child was a parenting failure I deeply regret.
The other reality of being a parent is that regret comes with the job.
You try to do the best you can do, and you deal with your mistakes as best you can. None of us is perfect.
I was talking to a work colleague about how I was agonizing over mistakes I made. He said if I'm concerned about my mistakes, then I'm doing ok. He said his parents never thought they made any mistakes or they didn't care if they did. His attitude was if you're trying, you're a good parent.
Of course, I didn't stop agonizing over my mistakes. After all, what does he know? He had shitty parents!
That's helpful to hear. Thank you for sharing it.
Haha. Yes.
How does it stop boys from masturbating?
John Harvey Kellogg - Plain Facts for Old and Young
So you're telling me that John Harvey Kellogg was into chastity devices and had a kink for putting them on young boys? 😶
He was also a eugenicist!
Made a killer breakfast cereal tho so...
He made corn flakes to purposefully be as bland as possible, as he also thought flavour tempted people to masturbate. Dude ran a sanitarium while being a total loon himself.
The Kelloggs cereal you eat today is way better because it actually has to taste good to sell.
If you're into long format videos/docs and want to more, watch this: https://youtu.be/hZ4ES8mOzYg
He got around. I keep hearing of things related to him and a lot of it's not great. I'm skeptical of it working well but nice quote
I'm also skeptical the cultural reasons for circumcision have much to do stopping masturbation or Kellogg when I look at a map of where it's practiced:
And surprised that map doesn't line up with this one:
Horrifying.
It was never actually effective, but by making it much less pleasurable. Turns out boys will do it anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This study doing an analysis of the research doesn't seem to agree:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7691872/
A lot of comments in this thread agree with you though. Where did you get your information to be so confident?
I mean, there are people in this thread that were circumcised as a teen/adult and commenting on what that was like for them. That is, anecdotally, where my data comes from e:(as well as my own friends and acquaintances, and other threads like this online).
The study you linked seems to be categorising quality of data, with a focus on sexual function first and foremost. Sexual function has nothing to do with pleasure or sensation, it is merely about ability to get an erection, penetrate something and ejaculate. Neither myself nor others in this thread are commenting on that. Where it talks about pleasure and sensation, the cited studies seem to only ask a binary question of whether there was pleasure or not. Not if it had decreased, subjectively rating it, or trying to objectively rate it.
It also erroneously talks about the fact that sexual pleasure is attributed to the erogenous zones on the glans and underside of the shaft, not the foreskin. That seems to be hilariously slanted towards being pro-circumcision. I've never heard anyone, anywhere say that the foreskin is an erogenous zone, only that it protects them from desensitisation.
Can we also talk about the fact they went to the rural parts of an African nation to do a randomly controlled trial where they circumcised over 2000 people, some as young as 15, "in the name of science". What the fluff is up with presumably western, presumably white people doing "science" on black people?? Even if they paid them (which is its own methodological issue) this is just really really messed up.