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it's so over (lemmy.ml)
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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago

The mode of production takes priority, capitalism with direct democracy would still fall to the same problems intrinsic to capitalism.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago

That's basically true, but I think capitalism would overthrow direct democracy.

People would vote for higher wages and then there'd be a coup.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago

Sure, the base will shape the superstructure. Any levers that can be pulled within capitalism will either be destroyed or nerfed if proven too effective at gaining what workers want.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 4 days ago

How could corruption run rife when there are no bribable politicians?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago

The government is tied to the mode of production, it isn't above it. When capital owners hold sway over how society functions, it isn't through bribes alone that this happens. Control of media, control of the state, administration, cultural hegemony, etc all influence it. As such, no direct democracy could really exist in capitalism.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Even an honest and well meaning politician will be blocked at every step. Like corporations and big businesses sabotaging key supply chains, media engaging in character assassination, and if all that fails then either a military coup or a literal assassination (like they did to Salvador Allende in Chile). Unless the politicians try to gain concessions from the ruling class in exchange for complacency, which means we still have our status quo.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 4 days ago

Direct democracy gets rid of politicians and the general population vote on each bill/law change

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

That still doesn't guarantee the military won't take over, reactionary sentiments spread through propaganda, etc. Without a revolution there will never be true democracy.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 4 days ago

... The military could literally take over under any system. That is not an excuse to sit on our hands

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

My point isn't that everything is futile, but rather that a better democracy isn't possible under capitalism.

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