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DPRK supports Russia in this war because it's not an imperialist one
I wonder what kind of parallels can be drawn with Ukraine now and China during WW2 (when the communists allied with the nationalists in order to fend off the Japanese). Perhaps strategically it makes sense for Russian communists to "support" Russia in order to stave off NATO. This would give more breathing room for leftist agitation inside of Russia (and eastern Ukraine for that matter, perhaps western Ukraine too I hope).
Definitely more breathing room
Much easier for the communists to defeat the Russian state than all of NATO
NATO kill count: Tens of Millions
Russia kill count: Tens of Thousands
Some libs in here really require perspective
It's probably in the millions at least because of shock therapy
The shock therapy was done by the west to Russia. Are you saying that Russia should receive millions? That’s like blaming the massacre of Indonesian communists on the communists
uh... i mean the massacre of indonesian communists wasnt done by the american military, it was done by the indonesians as a proxy of the west. the russian government started as a proxy of the west for shock therapy. they participated.
Comprador traitors indeed, but not the current Russian state or people. This is extreme levels of victim blaming of the Russian people and using their own deaths and suffering against them
???
it was the government doing it. not the russian people. im literally czech the same shit happened to us you dolt
These exact parallels have been discussed here quite a bit. The class breakdown of China in WW2 was that the communists (representing the landless peasants and proletariat) built a temporary alliance with the national bourgeois (the local owners) in order to fight outside colonizers, invaders and the international bourgeois (global imperialist capital hegemony).
Russia, Iran, Syria, Belarus, Brazil and others are currently representing the national bourgeois in this alliance with the proletariat states of China, Cuba, DPRK, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc. They are temporarily allied to defeat the greater enemy, the international bourgeois of imperialist capital (NATO, America, UK, EU, Israel, Anglo-nations).
I get the impression the DPRK's support boils down to the fact that, if the US is bogged down supporting Ukraine, that's less resources going to harass the North.
Their support of Russia has zero impact on the status of the war as imperialist or not.
They have stated their position very clearly, you don't need to go off "impressions". They understand how anti-imperialism works. DPRK has never once in its history supported an imperialist war and have been on the correct side on basically every single conflict. They have a 100% track record in my view.
For sure, I just didn't want to type out a whole argument spelling out Lenin's definition of imperialism and analyzing Russia's economy and foreign policy
It's an anti-imperial war from Russia's perspective, they are fighting NATO encroachment and resisting imperialism as they did in Syria
Well every single western leftist poo pooed Syria and Russia for a decade, and now most realize that the anti-imperialists were correct and Syria/Russia were the side to be supported against the imperialists invaders and their proxies (ISIS, Turkey, US, etc). Just like Iraq should be supported against the US during the American invasion and Libya should have been supported while it was under attack. Nations being invaded by imperialists deserve critical support, regardless of if they are bourgeois capitalist states or not.
Not all capitalist nations are imperialist.
I’m going to trust DPRK’s assessment of the war over the westerners who have shown consistent patterns of chauvinist errors in regards to analysis of geopolitics. There’s a reason why Russia is allied with every single AES nation on Earth, do you really think every socialist nation is wrong and you have the perfect analysis from within the bowels of the empire?
Let me explain:
So when the Minority Region is at War with the Nation state it "de Jure" belongs to
Then THAT is the Imperialism. Serbia did Imperialism TO Kosovo .. not Kosovo to Serbia ... And Nato the intervene to Protect the Minority against the raging hate of the Majority) Same story with Ukriane , dont get confused .. it is West Ukraine , that did the Imperialism TO the Russian Majority Eastern Ukraine
Russia protects Its Minority from Racial Persecution by a Faschist Regime. No Imperialism.
This is a Anti imperialsit Global war , You lack the Expertise to understand that , it is no problem .. BRICS 11 , Africa , Saudia Arabia , India , Latin America , Turkey , Eagypt , Iran all Understand it perfectly... on the Street of Niamey , Quagadgou and Bamako , they all understand it. its only your Tiny Minority in the West that still have not figured out that 2014 comes chronologically before 2022. its a Fascinating Phenomenon.... Maybe its the Vitamen D deficit they have in the West ? maybe thats makes "the West" so collectivly unable to understand , basic physical concepts like "CHRONOLGY" .. and "CAUSE AND EFFECT"
i dont accept this reasoning to protect your minority you try to topple the regime .... ???
name a specific one thats not "atrocity propaganda bullshit like "they aim Missile on Residential blocks and graveyards .. etc.. . Stop try to argue on the baseline of knowledge thats "American thats watch TV" , i now what they tell you on TV ..
Enemy Bad !.. Does bad things !.. We Godd .!. do good things !
Most of their youth wing literally split over supporting the war. when at best the only people worth supporting even critically was the LPR and DPR (and Putin couped their nascent proto-Socialist governments almost as soon as they formed.)
I mean it's right there ffs "Revolutionary Defeatism"
Revolutionary defeatism is when I root for NATO to finish what they started in their quest to destroy Russia so they can then move on to China
no one here doesn't agree that NATO should stop arming ukraine and withdraw, the rhetorical sheen of 'critical support' or 'defeatism' doesn't change the priorities of western leftists, but it gives everyone around here endless excuses to lecture each other about the way they talk about it being more "marxist" and "materialist". it doesn't matter what we call it, all that matters is pressuring natio governments to stop perpetuating the war
Hey at least they helped that Communist guy in Ukraine that lost his eye and had a red star etched into his back by the Nazis there
its a war to protect the Russian minority of theDonbass againt the assault by the western Backed Nationalist.
If you deny the 2014-2022 war and then call it a Imperialistic war You follow 1:1 the Imperialistic "Atrocity- Propagnda- Narrative" .. which is a Untrue narrative... like every Narrative before was (Sarin-Gas , Tonkin Bay , USS Maine ..etc.. ) as it tries to turn around "Cause and Effect" and make the Victims the Perputrators and the Perputrators the Victim..
Dont support Nazis , even if its "allowed" by your Media .
You think this Russian communist party is supporting America here? Much confusion.