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https://alexanderwales.tumblr.com/post/792702088154120192/i-was-talking-to-a-friend-and-he-was-complaining

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I was talking to a friend, and he was complaining about his job. He had this whole thing about how he’s so divorced from the work that he does, so disconnected from anything tangible, estranged from the products that he felt only tangentially involved in making. He has a boring office job and dicks around a lot, I guess. And this feeling was something that he’d been carrying with him for a long time, and he felt like no one talks about it, and it was, to him, one of the chief ills of society, the way that we have no connection to the work that we do. And he wished so much that we had a word for it, that people would talk about it.

“Oh, yeah,” I said. “Marx called that alienation of labor.”

“What?” he asked.

“You can google that phrase, ‘alienation of labor’ and you’ll get a ton of people talking about it,” I said. “It’s been a talking point for like, almost two hundred years.”

“They’re Marxists though?” he asked.

“Most of them, yeah,” I said.

He looked off into the distance, thinking about that. I was waiting for him to ask some questions, or for him to talk more about what he was feeling. “Well,” he said. “I guess I’ll get over it.”


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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 83 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Anyone working in counter-propaganda can testify to a curious experience: we’ll put in hours of careful research collecting an impeccable set of resources that undermines some warmongering narrative, and we’ll eagerly share it with someone who claims to despise racism in all its forms — say, an outspoken opponent of the West’s so-called “War on Terror.” Unexpectedly, we are met with a response that is somewhere between chilly reticence and downright hostility. What’s going on?

From our perspective, we’re offering water to a person who’s self-identified as thirsty, and yet they react as if we were trying to poison them! They turn on a dime to defend the same institutions whose lies they were denouncing just moments before. At this point the sense of pride and accomplishment that comes from seeing through propaganda and putting puzzle pieces together into a satisfying historical account gets brutally transformed into its exact opposite: a sense of crushing defeat. In response to this bitter experience, many researchers — serious people, with plenty of experience reading and writing, and sometimes even of being published! — lash out. They decide that people have been “brainwashed” beyond the point where they can be reached by words or rational appeal. They “realize” that the masters of propaganda have been far more successful than we first imagined: it turns out we’re not David fighting Goliath, we’re more like an ant facing an asteroid.

https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

Oh God this is my experience talking to the lib I used to work with

[-] take_five_moments@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

ppl just don't wanna admit to themselves and other ppl they fell for some bullshit "u mean i've been fed dogshit by the state for years and it made my brain pudding?" ya fam it did the same to me and that realization isn't exactly fun at first it's why all the chumps in plato's cave hid when the light burnt their eyes

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

read da essay then

[-] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Damn, Roderic and Nia had a pulse on the most important, recurring topics of our time really well. Every time I see a post of Redsails, it's genuinely as relevant and perfectly touching the point as the best of them have done.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Reading Really Existing Fascism between classes (I think I read it like 3 times total) in college had me feeling like I had just unlocked Marxism 2.

[-] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Definitely top 5 best, most applicable piece of theory of the past 10 years, if you ask me. Short, to the point, powerful, Marxist critique is hard to find

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