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I'm going to guess the shooters were white supremacists with incoherent ideology

The guy who tackled one of the shooters to take his shotgun away is a legend though

Update: Appears one of the suspects is likely Middle East/Arabic/Subcontinent background. Going to see a rise in racism for sure

Update 2: Rabbi Schlanger (pro Israel man who wrote a letter to Albanese to deny Palestine statehood and is also one of the organisers of the even taking place at Bondi Beach) is one of the dead. ASIO claim one of the shooters was known to them, of course. Now up to 16 dead

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[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Pretty weird to be a Rome guy who thinks Jews are cool.

Nah, they think Jews are useful in pushing their white supremacist agenda right now.

[-] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

Also the apocalyptic types need the Jews to rebuild the temple to trigger the end times etc

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Not sure why they think it works like that. Pretty sure the big guy upstairs wouldn't be happy with the people actively trying to cause the end of the world. But then again, those same people probably think that they can trick Him into blaming the Jews for it.

[-] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In Christianity the end of the world is meant to ultimately be a good thing, like a thousand years of peace once the antichrist is defeated and then people go to heaven. In their view I guess they see it as doing God's will. Plus Christians having been itching for the world to end since they became a thing. It's like if the heaven's gate people just waited 2000 years.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

Though at the same time, if I remember my book of revelations stuff, "no one will know the time or the place" and it seems like any sort of attempt to "decode" the end of the world and make it happen would be at best futile and at worst actively going against any of God's plans.

Though these sorts of people do happen to "hear the voice of god" in such a way that tells them to do whatever reprehensible thing they want and it is ok because "it is god's will."

[-] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah there's not a lot of coherence to their beliefs. There's also a lot of predestination and Calvinist stuff. So if they try to make the apocalypse happen and succeed that was god working through them all along etc

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah the Catholics have had to keep hammering down this nail every time it pops up. The logical conclusion of their religion is that the apocalypse is good, so the church had to forbid the concept as a form of heresy just to stop people from doing death cult shit.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Christianity originally was apocalyptic cult and it raise its head every time shit's going down the drain or calendar show particularly round number like 1000 CE. Church even forbid suicide, because there are a huge logical holes between "apocalypse is good", "next life will be better" and "the all-loving merciful Christ require you to suffer before that"

[-] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

In particular the Catholic church hated you trying to predict when the apocalypse was happening. It was fine to do art about it or philosophize about it. The minute you start to predict it they came down like a hammer. Which for at least pragmatic reasons, you make the church looks silly if you're wrong.

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