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NATO is having an existential crisis as the US starts to walk away
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The wildest thing is seeing the EU self-vassalize with no real incentive to do so. Clinton/Obama really did a number on the euro apparatchik psyche I suppose.
Watch the EU continue NATO and continue the US foreign policy, mainly for the continued gain of the US
this is what racism does to mfs, the EU drank the whole superior western civilization kool-aid and they never considered that they themselves could be expendable
They didn't just drink it, they formulated the industrial racism powder production process
pretty much
What do you mean no incentive to do so? Our entire economy is dependent on US oil. When they decide we're not worth it anymore they are going to do to us what they did to all those other countries. Regardless of how little melanin we have. European bourgeoisie are going to trip over themselves to sell eachother out in hope of being butchered last. It will be like the olden days, every country for themself.
That was a choice though, and a fairly recent one too. Europe had alternatives, we just chose to go all-in betting on the US because the racist fantasy of the "civilized West" standing united against "the barbarians" appealed to European supremacism and cultural chauvinism.
I don't think it was a choice. See for instance nord stream. There are other ways the US can blackmail us too, but especially now with ukraine firmly under US control there is no way to get oil into europe without having it first pass US control. Via Turkey or Ukraine and both ways are US controlled.
I wouldn't think the bourgeoisie gives two shits about the unity and allyship among the nations of the "civilized west". That's the line they try to feed us. If they can turn a profit they would buy russian oil no second thoughts.
Even with Nordstream, choices were made. The choice to not seriously investigate the attack and purposely not look for the real culprits. The choice not to repair it. The choice not to use the still intact second Nordstream pipeline, which Russia has been saying they were open to resuming supplies through since the attack happened. The Russians repeatedly said that they were ready to provide Germany with gas through the second pipeline if Germany wanted it. Germany is the one that declined, not Russia.
Nobody forced the EU to adopt nineteen sanctions packages. Nobody forced the EU to declare that they would no longer import Russian oil and gas. Hungary for example still imports Russian oil and gas, partly through Turkey and partly through the Druzhba pipeline. The US doesn't control the pipeline through Turkey. Turkey is in NATO but it has autonomy and continues to facilitate that transit because they benefit from it. They would even have had alternatives from the Middle East if they did not choose to help the US devastate the entire region. Europeans actively participated in the destruction of Libya and Syria.
Even now with the US having effectively stopped funding Ukraine directly, nobody is forcing the Europeans to keep bankrolling Ukraine, buying US weapons for Ukraine with European money. Without that European money Ukraine would collapse within a couple of months, there would be a period of instability, yes, but eventually things would calm down and supplies through Ukraine could resume. Europe would simply have to accept that Russia has a say in European security arrangements. Yet because of their racism they would rather destroy their own countries than admit that the Russians have won.
The Europeans behave like this not because they have to, but because the leadership are ideologically invested and politically committed. They are like a gambler deep in the hole whose only hope to recover their losses is to keep upping the ante. Even though a lot of European capital interests would prefer to go back to doing business with Russia, the problem is that most of the people in charge, the European political elite, are true believers. They are fanatics, products of US indoctrination which was more successful on Europeans than even on the Americans themselves.
curious what you think it was that Clinton/Obama did. the actions and repercussions of Obama (and Clinton for that matter tbh) is a bit of a gray area for me that I'm not super knowledgeable on beyond the big talking points.
Clinton decided not to read the benefits of the collapse of the Soviet union.
Obama was the first to put pressure on Europeans to raise their defense budgets.
Honestly no idea, i just put it at them because Clinton came in after the USSR was gone and kinda did the shock doctrine thing thing in the east.
Bush seemed to be too much of a yokel, only really pulling that whole "coalition of the willing" thing. Didn't seem like he really advanced the sublimation of the EU that much.
Obama comes around and gets the PRISM/5 eyes thing going and I gotta be honest I blame everything Joe did in Europa on Obama as well, because I cannot imagine them going along if he didn't have that "HOPE" shine. The whole NSA Snowden leak should've been a massive deal. It revealed the US spied and wiretapped the offices of European leaders. But it wasn't. It was just laughed away. Don't think it would've been under Bush, Hillary or Trump. But it was under Obama.
Under Trump 1 several European states started seriously arguing for a European army. Trump 2 it seems like they're not though. Now they're just going along to get along or something. Real Gorbachev vibes.
I dunno a lot about it, it's completely vibes based. Seems to me like the EU member nations really admired Obama. Thought he was cool. Clinton did eastern Europe.
It's not like other presidents didn't also do stuff, moreso the whole "getting the lambs to slaughter themselves" kinda thing. Joe Biden too i guess, but that guy is a rotting corpse so it doesn't fit with my vibes analysis so I choose to ignore it, as is good academic practice.