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submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Rebecca Joynes is currently serving a six and a half year prison sentence

A teacher who was convicted for having sex with two boys, becoming pregnant by one, has been banned from the profession.

Maths teacher Rebecca Joynes, 31, was jailed for six and a half years in July last year after being found guilty of six counts of sexual activity with a child, after sleeping with one pupil before falling pregnant by a second while on police bail.

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) convened earlier this month via a virtual hearing, which Joynes did not attend, to consider her professional conduct. A panel recommended she be banned from teaching.

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[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage, ergo could not give consent, ergo it was rape. Also power dynamics teacher pupil makes it even more rapey

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 23 points 3 months ago

In the UK, the definition of rape requires penetration from the offending party by their genitalia. So unless the teacher has a monster clit she used to anally penetrate the boys, the definition of rape can't apply. For that there's the broader definition of sexual assault.

Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term can get them in hot water - libel lawsuits and such, not to mention accusations of trying to shape the public's opinion, and so on.

So yeah, you'll rarely find directly said out statements in the news as most journos will try to get to as close to the definition as possible without exposing themselves to legal action. That's why you'll often see e.g. statements like "the purported killer" even if there's clear evidence of the person being the murderer, simply because the case hasn't been judged yet therefore the legal term murderer - which requires a conviction - cannot be applied, and using it before the trial even happens is a big no-no.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you that if it was a man with two young girls, the article would be going on the offensive much quicker, and even here they should've used the term "sexually assaulted" instead of "had sex with", but specifically the term rape cannot apply here.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Thank you for the informative reply. As a layman in another country who isn't worried about specific local laws, I'd like to add that she raped at least two children.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

New York had (has?) a similar distinction. It came up in the E Jean Carrol saga; specifically Trump suing for defamation after her lawsuit, because it wasn’t- technically- rape.

IIRC it was dismissed with the judge saying that it fits the modern lay definition of rape and that’s not defamation.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

They didn’t call it “sexual assault” either, so I’m inclined to not accept that excuse.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

by their genitalia.

So, like not using an object of some sort?

Journalists, since their purpose is to serve the public with the truth, have to really carefully choose their words as using the wrong legal term

Still seems like a more generic term such as "sexual assault" would be applicable here.

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Til. So in the UK only men (or those with dicks) can rape?

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says? They were underage, ergo could not give consent

Underage is literally a legal definition, so clearly you do care. Calm down.

[-] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I agree, but there are libel laws to consider here. It serves no one to open yourself up to a lawsuit, especially one from which the rapist can only benefit.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Hi! I'm not worried about being sued. She raped at least two children.

[-] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

Thankfully I'm not a citizen of TERF Island. She raped them.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I agree with you, my comment was meant to draw attention to the crappy law.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do I look like I give a fuck what the law says?

methinks yes?

if not you, then at least journalistic integrity in the UK does

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