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[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 36 points 1 week ago

I've heard that basically everywhere you go in space you will die by overheating because your body can't radiate away the heat it generates. It's weird to think that you can die from literally being cooked alive in a vacuum with a temperature of 0 degrees (readers choice of units).

Temperature is one of the least intuitive things when really getting into the nitty gritty of it. One of my favorite things to prompt people with is to ask them what makes something twice as hot as something else?

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

and then there is the wet light bulb situation where your body can just suffocate as it sweats and cant evaporate.

We’re basically just porous critters. Just assume we need to breath from everywhere on the body.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 week ago

Temperature is the average speed of atoms, in space, what atoms?

Space isn't cold. It just isn't any temperature

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Right, so getting to that whole "temperature is a measure of average speed of atoms," what's the average speed of atoms in 100 degrees Celsius boiling water vs 100 degree celsius steam? Or for that matter any solid at any given temperature compared to any gas of the same temperature? See what I mean when I said not intuitive?

Also, even in a vacuum a thermometer will eventually settle on a temperature it'll just take longer to equalise.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Atoms move in a solid, they just vibrate, in a liquid and glass they fly around. Somewhat bonded to each other in a liquid. But the speed is the same for any given temperature.

In vacuum I think a thermometer will just go to absolute zero/boil off.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago

That is just not true mate. A better working definition for temperature is the average kinetic energy of molecules not average speed of them. Smaller molecules such as hydrogen will move much faster than larger ones such as water at any given temperature. KE = 1/2mv^2

And no a thermometer in a vacuum will settle to the ambient temperature of it's environment. Nothing will settle to absolute zero. Either an object is in a true vacuum (theoretical doesn't actually exist) in which case it will remain its current temperature forever or for objects in the vacuum of space it will equalise with the temperature of it's surrounding environment.

[-] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Rather than reader's choice of units, it has to be Kelvin... 0F or 0C is warm in absolute terms.

[-] piranhaconda@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

AcKsHuLlY it could also be in rankine

I'm being pedantic as fuuuuuck because I've never actually seen it used in real life. For those that don't know, it's similar to Kelvin in that 0 is actually absolute zero, but the degree step sizes are the same as fahrenheit

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Rankine is used in chemical engineering calcs because a lot of US chemical plants are built in US Customary units and it's a lot easier to calculate in Rankine and keep everything in that system than try to convert back and forth between K and F.

[-] piranhaconda@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the interesting info! I figured it was used somewhere, just hadn't seen it.

And reminded me of the unit I saw once that I hate the most. Kilofeet... Not kidding. Apparently used in telecommunications as a unit of length for spools of cable, probably for similar reasons of easier math but couldn't fully switch from the US standard.

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Lmao that too. We use kilopounds as well because tons are too easily confused with metric tons

[-] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

Also, Kelvin doesn't have degrees.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Sure but all three are colder than body temp

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

It's exactly like being trapped in a thermos. But! There are space suit concepts that use an airtight helmet, but the rest of the body effectively is exposed to vacuum, supported and protected using a skin tight water-permeable fabric that prevents you from swelling up or burning in the UV. One of the benefits of this kind of space suit is that SWEATING WORKS IN SPACE!!! The sweat carries away heat (and further consumes it in the phase transition) when it instantly flashes to vapor, cooling one's body. Sweating is a human super power and we can leverage it to perform our own temperature regulation in a vacuum! I've always thought that was super cool.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago

That is super cool!

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Physics is wild, man.

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