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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is not strategically beneficial to threaten your opponent with death for surrendering. Doing so will cause them to fight to the death.

It is far better for us to have them submit to getting under the thumb of the proletarian state than it is to kill them. They can be legislated out of existence in a way that doesn't threaten any of them personally provided they're given no power in the state. We don't even need to rush that, they can probably be phased out in a way that barely affects their lives.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think at this point there's a tension between the strategic advantage of having billionaires willing to surrender (preserves forces, results in net gain of manpower) versus how fucking stoked the majority of people are to see them die (gains new loyalists, results in net gain of manpower) and to be honest I think that someone sitting down with a pen and paper could work out an optimal percentage that could then be applied on a case by case basis. No-names with vast fortunes? Whatever, reeducation. Your Bezos', Princes, Duponts and Langones? Written off by popular demand.

Edit: having thought about this more, I think you could even get the best of both worlds by rocking up to one of these fuhrerbunkers and announcing "We will be accepting the surrender of the employees but not the boss. In fact, any employees who feel like doing a little mutiny and bringing the boss out to us, or even just forgetting to lock the gate, will be handsomely rewarded."

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

Ahh yes, the Chinese method. "Kill the chicken to scare the monkey."

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago

Lmao any situation you can imagine, China has already been there, done that and coined a proverb

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 12 points 5 days ago

Why can't we be a bunch of Asians? doggirl-tears

[-] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago

Western societies had (several traditions of) proverbs too, but capitalism killed 'em by smothering them out with mass media

[-] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 17 points 5 days ago

Written off by popular demand

michael-laugh

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago

I actually like that. If they are so keen on algorithms, make an algorithm to determine what kind of expropriation they face.

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

First step is a steep inheritance/gift tax

  • "we're doing socialism now, your kids are taken care of cause everyone is taken care of"
  • "good job making a few bucks, you can use your surplus on some luxuries while you're alive. Your kids didn't earn that, so you don't get to just throw it at them when you die. They will have to work like everyone else (including you) if they want to be rich too"
[-] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nah, no taxes. Taxation of the rich creates a dependency of the system on the continued existence of the rich for revenue.

It should be a discrete mass expropriation of wealth and private property. The goal is not to allow the bourgeois to remain in control of industry and capital and skim off their profits, the goal is to end their ownership entirely. Going down the taxation route opens you up to tax strikes from the rich as well crippling state revenue.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah exactly. Lay out something completely reasonable, if there are fighters then they get dealt with because fighting is obviously not allowed. The position is reasonable.

They can die with luxury and phase out without causing a wider problem provided they are completely disempowered. That disempowerment will need to be monitored for security too but I suspect most of them will just want to keep their heads down.

The next generation will probably be a bigger problem than the current one because they're gonna be PISSED that they lost those things, but that's a bridge to cross in years down the line. They are your future gusanos.

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago

I'm mostly with you on that. The thought of vengeance on the bourgeoisie fills me with an indescribable ecstasy, but I'm willing to forego that in favor of practicality and improved conditions for all.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It was that way for me before and then multiple wars happened and it became so obvious how giving the opposing side ways to surrender is much more beneficial. This doesn't just apply to violent war, it applies to class war too, with the important caveat that they must be disempowered in the same way that you would disarm any enemy surrendering in a violent war.

[-] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

For certain. Momentary indulgence must always, in a rational society, be superseded by the good of all. In the end it's self-care as well.

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