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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[-] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.

[-] captcha@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I think genderless sports by weight class is the ideal but the problem with genderless sports is general sexism. Like the main group who want keep chess of all things segregated by gender are the women, because male chess players are insufferable to women. All of these are solvable problems though.

[-] geikei@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Trans people in sports isnt complicated. Let them compete in whatever league or category they want and identify as. Thats perfectly duable right now in the current sports scene. No gender segregation in sports altogether is very complicated and would need a serious advance into a socialist society and population cultural mindset for it to be able to be implemented without hurting most the existing hundreds of millions of women athletes at all levels imo.

Under a socialist system of mostly amateur,well founded sports scene and the equivalent education i agree thats the ideal. In our current system i feel the realities of founding and way the sports ,especially competitive sports, are structured and approached would have a vast majority of female athletes understandably not wanting genderless sports league and any suggestion or movement towards that policy before or without prioratizing complete reform of how sports and sports leagues are structured wont go anywhere.

Why would women track and field athletes want genderless sports rn if that would 100% translate to them constantly losing and being left out of competitions, losing sports scholarships let alone financialy supporting themselves and having little chance of proffessional career or any international or national success. Even if they got payed all the same, there still a want and need for athletes to compete and have a chance to win on some level of the sport against their peers. So even in the amateur scene. If the best performing woman in t&f can only hope for in any competition, be it town,city, college, state or national , to with the 20th best time or throw or jump with everyone ahead of them being men then they wouldnt take that deal and even more so the others.

Same with team sports. At any level the team will be looking to win and will chose the players that will make that more likely. So you will end up with segregated leagues any way where even in amateur leagues 98% of the rosters are male. A solution would be to enforse a quota that every team must have X woman players on the team and they must play at minimum Y minutes but that would still lead to huge issues and idk if again the women athletes would want that

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

At least at the pro level, they technically are genderless; there are no rules against women trying out. Women's leagues exist because biological males have such an extreme physical advantage that biological females do not qualify in open competition. Weight classes aren't sufficient, testosterone dramatically affects more than just muscle volume.

If all sports were genderless, they would be exclusively cis-male at every level after puberty with any significant competition, regardless of weight class

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

testosterone dramatically affects more than just muscle volume

Yet we do not see any post-transition trans woman in any sport wiping the floor with her competition that did not go through a testosterone puberty. That doesn't bother any transphobe who has a say in pro sports, tho, in swimming competitions we now have the situation that cis women who've cheated by taking testosterone throughout their youth get a 2-4 year ban while trans women who had the wrong puberty forced on them get permanent bans from all competitions they'd stand a chance in.

tl;dr: you're a transphobic gender essentialist idiot who doesn't understand basic biology or how transitioning works and systematically ignores all empiric evidence that shows you're full of shit, go fuck yourself

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