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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[-] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 208 points 1 year ago

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 140 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.

Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.

Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 129 points 1 year ago

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats

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[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 116 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

Imagine all the hours spent. Utah has 104 legislators between their house and senate. If the bill was discussed on the floor for 10 minutes in each chamber, that’s 17 hours of human effort wasted. Now add in hours of deliberation in committee. Hours put in by staffers, by experts, by consultants, by lobbyists. That’s hundreds, if not over a thousand, hours spent on a ruining a JV sport for a single trans girl. What a ridiculous and disgusting waste.

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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

But they're unscratched liberals! You won't like them when they're scratched! scared-fash

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

Punch a fascist, and a liberal gives you a lecture on civility and violence, while downplaying civilian casualties of US drone strikes. maybe-later-honey

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[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 89 points 1 year ago

It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.

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[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago

adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Joe Biden owes me $600 and I don't even fuckin live there

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[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

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[-] Fibby@lemm.ee 81 points 1 year ago

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

[-] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago

Ah the abortion playbook

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.

Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.

On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.

amerikkka trans-gun

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[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey now! As a Liberal I absolutely think a untrained trans athlete is comparable to a cis athlete who's honed their entire body for the sport and isn't going through HRT is comparable!!

Just because trans athletes have their muscle mass changed by HRT and are competing with a body that they are unfamiliar with in terms of limits and physical composition doesn't mean they don't have an arbitrary advantage I assume (read: made up) because I don't understand how HRT affects muscle mass or that i think education should be gatekeeped based on income, sports and academic ability.

Edit: to any libs lurking don't come at me with the whole fast release power vs endurance muscle composition of afab and amab athletes because it's wacky biological essentialism that doesn't apply to a trans athletes muscle composition.

Edit 2: this pisses me off because most of the athletes kicking up a fuss are white athletes who already accused black athletes of being trans or intersex because they dominate or "have higher testosterone levels" and they are salty af about just losing and trans athletes are an easy scapegoat.

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.

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[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

bridget-pride-stay-mad

Give them no quarter, hexbears and lemmygrads

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"A lot of people think." , says Biden admin after kidnapping hundreds of kids, sending them to work factory farms

[-] edge@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago
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[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

john-brown I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit stfu-terf

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not complicated. The Biden administration wants the support of both those who see trans people as deserving the same rights as cis people and those who would like to see trans people excluded from society.

What is complicated is that the Biden administration wants the support not of me or you if we fall into one of those groups, but the support of both the national and regional bourgeoisie who do so.

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