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These subpoenas... (www.rawstory.com)

Hey all -

Just curious if anyone has seen a notice related to the news below. Reporting says hundreds sent out and that in most cases the tech companies have to notify the person and give time to contest it. So it would be good to get a clear example of these admin subpoena notices so we can all be on the lookout:

https://www.rawstory.com/ice-2675268854/

Or maybe this is some huge bullshit scare tactic.

Thank you!

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 3 days ago

which they can then use to associate you to any online interaction where you've also given your phone number

Which is why I don't give anyone my phone number.

You pointing out that maybe the victims are to blame for their data being in the hands of megacorps

Once again, that never happened, you just made it up, and I don't appreciate it.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Which is why I don't give anyone my phone number.

fun fact: its worse than that! its not only about your phone number. signal and almost every chat app exposes your chat partners in the system contacts database. It's handy for the contacts app to be showing the list of chat apps usable for someone you know. at the minimum your name and profile picture that you set for yourself will be there and accessible to any apps with contacts permission, and in signal (even the molly fork) if that partner has made their phone number visible, that will be saved here too. and you can't really turn it off for others.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

You are misinformed. Signal has your phone number and that's it. This has been demonstrated time and time again with legal documents.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

check your contacts app before stating such things. I'm not stating that signal sends your data to facebook and such, but that signal is registering info into the OS for convenience, that will also he visible to other apps with the privilege granted, including those of facebook

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 22 hours ago

Check my contacts app for what, exactly?

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago

sorry, I think I was wrong. signal/molly only attaches that information to a contact when it already has the phone number that they use for signal.

so unless you keep your phone number visible on signal, or you share your phone number in another way, this shouldn't be a problem.

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Which is why I don't give anyone my phone number.

Happy for you, chief. I'm sure that makes it real useful to have, then, since no one knows it to call you.

Once again, that never happened, you just made it up, and I don't appreciate it.

Cool, how am I supposed to read this, then?

I mean it's a legit concern but, maybe don't give them your data in the first place?

Does that not read "if they have your data, you're the one who gave it to them"? Explain it to me, because I'm clearly not understanding

[-] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'm sure that makes it real useful to have, then, since no one knows it to call you.

I meant I don't give it to companies, because I know that's why they want it.

how am I supposed to read this, then?

How about exactly how it's fucking written? Without making shit up? Do you think you can do that? Telling you how to prevent something is not the same thing as blaming you for it.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I meant I don't give it to companies, because I know that's why they want it.

If you have given it to a person who has any account anywhere that has anything remotely to do with meta-owned entities, and they did not explicitly say no to sharing contacts info (basically just one person giving FB messenger access to their phone contacts), then meta has your phone number, name and a whole bunch of scarily accurate extrapolated data on you and other sources they correlate that with.

[-] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 2 days ago

They might have my name and number. They don't have anything to connect that information to, because I don't give it.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

You'd be surprised. If you have ever ordered, or booked, something online, they will absolutely have something to connect that to and from there they keep pulling.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

I would not be surprised, I've investigated this pretty thoroughly. I've blocked all Meta domains from my network and devices. I dont give any of those stores my phone # or real name, and I use a virtual credit card that doesn't have my name or real address. All items are shipped to a PO box.

[-] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

So you use cash to get a burner phone for any online purchases or sites which need them? You kept your phone turned off and away from you when you bought that burner? You only carry the burner when entering large corporate store chains which are fingerprinting the devices inside? You have gone through all databrokers to see who is aggregating information and device ids on you? You magically know every single big techs obfuscated domains for tracking cookies and block them the moment they are registered?

I think you are extremely naive about how easy it is to tie this information together by a databroker who is not restricted on what information they can aggregate and sell back to companies like meta. Sure meta may be blocked direct access on your network but they are buying that information from another data broker and tieing directly to you based on the contact information thats been gleemed from others who shared contact information with a meta product.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

So you use cash to get a burner phone for any online purchases or sites which need them?

Why would I need a phone for that? I just told you I use a virtual CC.

You only carry the burner when entering large corporate store chains which are fingerprinting the devices inside?

I use GrapheneOS, which has mitigations for that sort of tracking. But Meta isn't tracking me at the grocery store, regardless.

You magically know every single big techs obfuscated domains for tracking cookies and block them the moment they are registered?

I don't allow access to any cookies. As I already said, I use an ad-blocker, of course, that tracks, updates, and blocks thousands of tracking domains.

I think you are extremely naive about how easy it is to tie this information together by a databroker

I think you know absolutely nothing about me, what I know, and what my data protection practices are.

Sure meta may be blocked direct access on your network but they are buying that information from another data broker and tieing directly to you based on the contact information thats been gleemed from others who shared contact information with a meta product.

I don't think you understand. Even if someone sends Meta my phone number, they cannot associate my phone number to any other online activity because that would ALSO require my phone number, which they do not have, because I do not give it to them. Also gleaned* and tying*.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

they have. they are mapping your social graph and with that the places you are possibly frequenting

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Dude, I told you I don't understand how what you've written is different from what I've said, so maybe start there? I can see the literal words you wrote, thanks. I'm trying to get to the meaning you're attempting to convey, dude.

Like are you saying "people shouldn't have given their data to these companies", then my entire argument until now applies. It's not really an opt-out situation, unless you refuse to play ball with these companies.

Are you saying "companies shouldn't have this data"? Like, fair, but I'm not certain how what you're saying conveys this point.

What are attempting to say because I clearly don't understand it with those words in that order. Give more context to what you mean, please. I genuinely want to understand but I can't parse what you're trying to say beyond what I parroted back at you. And it's not some failure on your part, I am a certifiable idiot sometimes when it comes to this shit.

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