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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix, or are you using something else entirely?

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[-] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From my digging on alternatives the main contenders are (in no particular order)

  • Stoat
    • Essentially 1:1 on discords format
    • UK based, so its future there is uncertain
    • Infrastructure is lacking, was crippled by the initial influx after discord's announcement.
    • Missing some minor UI and UX features, feels unpolished.
  • Spacebar
    • Reverse engineered discord
    • Greatest potential, IMO, but as of a few days ago all it has is potential.
    • lacks significant client development, relying on an external client named Fermi, which feels quite amateurish.
  • XMPP
    • Highly mature, looks very promising, but lacks any kind of guild/nested channel grouping support which makes it unsuitable for my group, so I didn't look too deep at it.
  • Matrix
    • IMO the most likely discord successor.
    • Minor functional hiccups, that vary from client to client
    • Of the clients I tested, Cinny is the most discord like, but I hear commet is closer.
    • Nested spaces provides the minimum format equivalence.
  • Fluxer
    • Slightly sus vibes
    • Lacks self hosting instructions
    • Media is non-permanent, which is I guess fair to keep infra costs down, but its unsuitable for my groups media usage habits.
    • Looks promising, but I've not actually tried it given the lack of self hosting instructions.

One thing that's wormed its way onto the to do list that haunts the back of my mind, is I'd like to see if I could abuse the matrix or XMPP protocols to get some of the nicer discord-like features lime invite links, server side channel ordering, and space membership over channel membership. But that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

EDIT: Forgot Fluxer. Added.

[-] ArchEngel@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

Holy...! Thanks for mentioning Commet this is so much better than Element - I think there is a good chance I can move people to Matrix using this!

[-] Eldaroth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

XMPP knows invite links, there are even servers which support invite pages which list suitable clients one could use for XMPP. Prosody for example has this module you could enable: mod_invites_page

And then there is also Snikket, which is a pre-configured XMPP server suite (running prosody under the hood) with some nice QoL improvements baked in which you can selfhost as well: Snikket Quick Start Selfhost

[-] 64bithero@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

While I agree with feeling a bit off , Fluxor seems closest to feature complete. Overall what Stoat has an offer works well. They are updating their infrastructure and so Fluxor.

The Matrix and XMPP are still all over the place. Unless one client comes out to rule them all. And none such really take the crown.

Honestly If there is issues with LLM it might be better to stick with Stoat.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • XMPP

Highly mature, looks very promising, but lacks any kind of guild/nested channel grouping support which makes it unsuitable for my group, so I didn’t look too deep at it.

No XMPP clients currently have that feature, but the Movim client is actively working on implementing it, and it should be ready in a few weeks. They recently launched a modest funding campaign to accelerate development.

[-] who@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

One thing that’s wormed its way onto the to do list that haunts the back of my mind, is I’d like to see if I could abuse the matrix or XMPP protocols to get some of the nicer discord-like features lime invite links

I think I've seen invite links being proposed for Matrix, but I don't remember the status of that idea, and can't find a relevant MSC at the moment.

This bot looks like it could be helpful for now:

https://github.com/dfuchss/matrix-joinlink

https://www2.matrix.org/blog/2024/05/24/this-week-in-matrix-2024-05-24/#matrixjoinlink

[-] hikaru755@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
  • Fluxer
    • Slightly sus vibes

Can you elaborate on this part?

[-] bagelberger@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

a chat app that has more feature parity with Discord than any other project, yet:

  • was supposedly built over the course of five years but commit history was squashed a couple months ago so there's no way to verify
  • was built entirely by one 22yo who hasn't yet graduated university
  • has confirmed LLM usage
  • already has a monetization plan very similar to Discord and has raised 300k in one-time funding on hype alone

all this to say, it's still an incredibly impressive piece of software, but the sus vibes are warranted

[-] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago
[-] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago

I belive just Matrix and XMPP.

[-] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Do they have voice chat integration? It's not a big deal for me, but for a lot apparently it is.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

XMPP does, but how advanced depends on the client used. Only the Movim and Dino clients support group voice/video calls at the moment, and Movim is the only client that supports Screensharing (requires a Chromium based browser to screenshare w/audio).

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Yes XMPP supports voice. Had for well over a decade, maybe two.

[-] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not too sure, I didn't look terribly deeply on that front since that's not something my group uses often, and its difficult to test on my own. That said, I believe Matrix does have some level of voice chat support, though AFAIK its more similar to Skype's calls than Discord's drop-in/drop-out voice channels. No idea about XMPP though.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Movim.eu seems to be. Rocketchat also claims to federate via matrix

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