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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

This will probably be unpopular but the leftist - liberal infighting is my least favorite part of the fediverse and why I usually end up having to give people a warning before telling them to get on the fediverse.

This drama is kind of the epitome of that

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Leftist vs liberal infighting has been going on since the late 1700s.

Of course what you really have to ask yourself is, if they've been infighting since basically the beginning and if their ideals are diametrically opposed then is it even in fighting?

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Liberals love to call it infighting because it allows them to take credit for all the progress that happened thanks to leftists. And yet they're always on the right-wing side of those "infights".

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[-] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Before Lemmy, I didn't know it was possible to go so left that you hated liberals.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Liberalism is supportive of capitalism, leftism begins at anti-capitalism. What did you think the left was before Lemmy?

[-] lmmarsano@group.lt 1 points 3 months ago

Liberalism was the original leftism: see the French revolutionary National Assembly. It doesn't intrinsically have anything to do with capitalism. In general, liberalism is neither left nor right. It promotes individualism. Historically, it progressed from humanism.

leftism begins at anti-capitalism

Not the political science definition.

General definitions & the historical development of liberalism are academic.

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.

Some of the earliest liberal practices are found in the US Declaration of Independence, which predates the French revolution spreading the practice of liberal ideals throughout Europe. The US declaration pretty much rehashes core tenets of liberal philosophy

  • inherent equality of individuals
  • universal individual rights & liberties
  • consent of the governed (governments exist for the people who have a right to change & replace them, & authority is legitimate only when it protects those liberties).

Note how capitalism isn't mentioned anywhere: it's nonessential. Capitalism predates & isn't liberalism. Liberalism is moral & political philosophy, not an economic one.

The philosophy is a natural progression of humanist philosophies from the Renaissance through the Protestant Reformation & the Enlightenment that stress the importance of individuality, secular reasoning, & tolerance over dogma & subservience to unaccountable authority. To address unaccountable authority based on dogma & traditions, English & French philosophers defined legitimate authority based on humanist morality pretty much as expressed in the US declaration. They argued that political systems thrive better with limits & duties on authority & an adversarial system of institutional competition whether in separation of powers, adversarial law system with habeas corpus & right to jury trial, competitive elections, dialogue, or economic competition.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Corporate media didn’t want you to be exposed to any ideas outside of the Overton window.

[-] reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Sometimes the further left extremes I've heard hear are indistinguishable from conservative Q-Anon. I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on

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[-] eah@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

I joined to talk about math and programming. It's a letdown that this Podunk platform seems to consist mostly of the weirdest, loudest people who saw the political compass meme and took it way too seriously.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

We take politics so seriously that we don’t take the political compass meme the least bit seriously:
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass

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