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I can't think of any "leftist organisations" that support Zionism ? Maybe you're confusing fascist with leftist ?
I mean "leftist organization" is a weird term and I would more speak of currents. And there is definitely the Antideutsche or Anti-Germans.
The German left, at least the loud one, is publically dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a "Zionist" on Lemmy, as there is often only "anti genocide and pro genocide" in online discussions. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.
Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting.
Seriously, imagine typing "there is often only 'anti genocide and pro genocide' in online discussions" and thinking "yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person". Yes, if you're not against genocide you're for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of "nuanced" "anti-zionism" (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.
By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.
One of them was extremely offended in another thread when I replied to them with "I was just following orders".
What I think they meant was that people here only think about the genocide and thus declare the perpetrators evil (which they are) and the victims the good guys (hamas are not).
One side's atrocities don't justify the other side's. Excusing your own group's actions because they're the good guys is far right thinking.
In reality there's more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn't make the other good.
Correct.
You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict. The resistance to the genocidal settler state are good even if they don't measure up to whatever arbitrary standard of perfection you have in mind.
Bullshit framing designed to try to equate between the invading settler state (with overwhelming firepower) and the (often barely adult) native resistance just trying to survive and protect their homes.
"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."
Let's agree to disagree there then. I wasn't planning to convince you after all.
We can agree that you oppose resistance to Genocide
I don't agree on that claim, no.
No, you just want to dictate from your comfortable desk how the resistance to an 80-year-long occupation and genocide should look like.
That's not what I said that in response to. This doesn't mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups. Not the same position. Opposing the form doesn't mean I oppose the concept.
Exactly my point, you think you have any moral right to decide in what form and shape the local resistance against Zionism has to take shape, and otherwise it doesnt get your support.
There are material reasons why Hamas is structured the way it is, and you may not like them or share all their goals, but their primary goal is the liberation of Palestine from Zionism and you should support them in that
If that's your point, you replied to the wrong comment of mine earlier.
When I said "I don't agree on that claim, no." I was specifically referring to the claim that I oppose resistance to genocide, period. When in reality I'm opposing the form that resistance is taking, not resistance itself. That's why I said I don't agree with the claim made.
You don't seem to argue with that fact, you're just arguing about my actual position. Which isn't what I was denying.
So, you do support Hamas?
You're really not arguing in good faith, are you? Not supporting hamas doesn't mean I'm not in favor of resistance against genocide.
But just to clear this up once more:
So no, I do not support Hamas. But yes, I do support Palestinian resistance in theory.
Wow, we have a contender for most The Most Western Sentence of all time
They really managed to do worse than their earlier "This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups."
The world will be better when humans will be able to escape this manichean thinking.
"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."
Copy pasting this shit doesn't make you look smarter
I apologize, you're not hemming and hawing over genocide. You're supporting it to "look smarter".
Resistance to genocide is the correct position to take.
100% agree and that's not what Hamas is trying to do or I miss the part where they protect the palestinians in their actions
Hamas is the main force of the Palestinian resistance, a coalition force actively fighting against genocide.
Wow. Well, thanks for openly admitting that one.
No problem. I don't feel the need to hide my opinions.
What do you want, .ml tankies are what .ml tankies are.
Please continue to call us "tankies" for saying things like "resistance to genocide is good". I'm not joking, you're doing free propaganda for us "tankies".
I sure will, but it isn't the swag you think it is lol.
Tankie is when you support resistance to genocide
My favorite part is pointing out that most israelis are not white westerners, but from other middle eastern countries who were fleeing persecution in those countries and are more arab than western in terms of ethnicity and history.
But that doesn't fit the nice narrative that all Israelis are white colonlizer/invaders from europe or something. Literally never had it acknowledged once, just denied and told that it is zionist propaganda.
"My favorite part is lying"
Saying Hamas is antisemitic is sure fire sign of being a Zionist.
Palestinians are a semitic people.
If you want to saw that Hamas hates Jews, well, when your entire life has been being bombed by planes with stars of David on them, while jackbooted thugs with stars of David on their shoulder kick in your door to kidnap your family members in the night, and settlers with star of David necklaces show up and claim your home and land by divine right, I can start to see where you develop feelings toward the people who carry the same sign.
Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim as they are so fucking desperate to do.
You probably already know this, but Israel wants the world to be a more dangerous place for Jews to justify Israel's illegitimate existence and aggression. That's why they conducted terrorist attacks against Ethiopian Jews, to convince them that they needed to move to Israel as it's the only safe place for them... where they're then met by deep-rooted racism.
100%
Israel wants to be a Jewish ethnostate, but only the Jews they deem to be the "Good" ones