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[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 20 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

No, the capitalists can't consume the surplus product. This has been considered and it has been proved not to work (eg by Luxemburg). The reason is, that capitalists are in competition with each other and are thus forced to invest in constant capital (machines etc) expanding circulation and making the problem worse. Capitalists who only consume the surplus are outcompeted and cease to be capitalists.

One real way that this contradiction is (temporarily) dealt with, is to expand to markets who are not yet fully under the capitalist mode of production (colonialism/imperialism). When England ran into this problem with their textile industry, they destroyed Indias textile industry, forced them to buy English textiles, forced them to sell opium to China to pay for the textiles and forced China to buy the opium and pay with silver that the English wanted. There aren't many white spots left on the globe though so this "solution" is starting to run into problems.

Another tried and proven way to deal with the crisis of overproduction and get rid of the surplus product, is to destroy lots of value. Like in war. This unclogs the arteries of capital circulation and gets things following again. The state can help expropriate people via taxes or inflation and funnel that directly to the military industrial complex. Crucially, this has to happen without providing any use value to anyone or it would cut into profits. So the state funding weapons to blow stuff up works, but building useful things like schools or railways or housing doesn't, because it would lower the profits of private companies.

Another big one is debt and financialization. Just gamble on future generations being able to afford the present surplus product. Debt is a claim on future labor, so to realize it, the productivity of labor has to go up. But oops, this again increases the surplus product. So no permanent solution.

The only thing, that genuinely works is war. The more destructive the better. Or, you know, getting rid of capitalism.

[-] JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml 1 points 40 minutes ago

Couldn't this also just end up as a command economy masquerading as capitalism? Basically the oligarchs get together and say ok game over we win, lets divide up whatever is left and milk that cash cow into perpetuity?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

The only thing, that genuinely works is war. The more destructive the better. Or, you know, getting rid of capitalism.

this explains the forever wars ...

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 2 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago)

Yes, I think it does. Not saying people consciously plan it like that, it's just the one option left once you discard everything that capital might not like. For capitalists, war promise a stabilizing effect in the face of deep crisis. But leftists in the imperial core can turn the effects of war against the ruling class by waging struggles over who should pay for the blowback. Strikes against inflation, social cuts and against war funding in general. The war will end, when it no longer seems to promise profit opportunities.

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