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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Carney has been one of the most popular prime ministers in Canada simply by being a slightly right-of-center liberal which is what the voters want right now.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I think this interpretation of the reasons for Carney's popularity might be incorrect. One reason is that a large part of the Carney vote came from left-of-LPC voters that tend to vote NDP. People like myself and some friends and family. We didn't vote for him because he's right-of-centre. We voted for him despite that. What you're seeing can be correlarion, not causation. As for his current approval, I can say that people like us approve of his overall performance but we do NOT approve of his handling of certain important files like labour rights. For this reaaon I believe that if a better option appears on the table that can keep PP at bay, the ground could shift under Carney as fast as it shifted to get him elected.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 14 hours ago

When was the last time the NDP leader was a quarter as charismatic as Jack Layton.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago

I think we're past the time of electing people on charisma. That works when people aren't struggling as much as they are today.

We'll see how things move with the new NDP leader, depending on who it is. We'll talk again. Maybe I'll turn out wrong.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 6 points 14 hours ago

I think you’re underestimating the rizz.

[-] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

I think you are underestimating the foreign interference that is our press. Ask the next 20 people random strangers who walk past you tomorrow who the leader of the NDP is. You may know the answer to that, but I doubt the other 19 do.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Could be. I'm also betting the economic situation is not gonna improve for most people over the libs mandate and Trump would become less of a threat over that time which is why I'm further discounting the charisma factor. Not that I wouldn't want a charisnaric NDP leader but I prefer being able to get support on the merits of meaningful policy, because that's sustainable beyond the next leader, and it makes campaigning more scalable because every face of the party can sell the policy without needing dear leader's portrait on the wall behind them.

E: I can sell public non-profit grocery stores to most of my family and friends. It's much more difficult to sell them a competition policy adjustment that may or may not result in anything they see.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 points 14 hours ago

But that hasn’t been reality for decades.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

True and I think there's an opportunity for change at this juncture. It hasn't happened yet.

[-] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

If everyone sets down reddit and Facebook for a minute, and quiets the screaming chaos that are those things, you'd quickly realize that the vast majority of Canadians are smack dab in the mushy middle that such a leader slots nicely into. Not the one screaming one-liner insults and plays on people's names, and certainly not the one that only really cares about Quebec.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm very much talking to real people. The conversations I'm having were unimaginable just 2-3 years ago. My own views have changed a lot. A shift's happening. Very likely not evenly distributed but there was no talk about socialist policy where I am either until recently. According to my conversations people just see everyday problems not getting solved or getting worse for a very long time and they lose faith in the solutions offered so far. For example my immediate real social network is around 10 people. We've been discussing the free market's pros and cons for decades. These days all but one thinks the free market can deliver prosperity for them. Everyone else has lost faith in the model.

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