146
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2023
146 points (100.0% liked)
chapotraphouse
13545 readers
748 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Gossip posts go in c/gossip. Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from c/gossip
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
No worries, Junefall rather than Bro. At least if you use "Bro" as gendered term (or you want to be friendly, then use the name or "you" instead).
Also before I write more: I read that you commented and read what others wrote and answered, so I want to iterate that you are welcome here. You seem to be good faithed.
I dislike labeling myself as handicapped (well in my first language), as while my body and head work different to most of my friends and the people I meet outside there is no "norm", no default to which to conform to. Our bodies just are, they are shaped by evolution and such, but each body is unique and individual, there is no idealist perfected version of me. So while I can do some things and can't do other things are well or better than others mostly I am handicapped by society.
Society demands a ton of stuff which is not possible for me and stuff that is easy for me they act as if it is a hard incomprehensible thing to do. A friend of mine uses a wheelchair and society builds doors which in old buildings are often too small to get in, this is discrimination (handicap) by society, she does also bring her own chair to events (the wheelchair) which sometimes is troublesome when the tables or chairs in the room are bolted down to the ground and it also means that society does accommodate for people who need chairs (though not for me who can't properly sit on most chairs).
Basically my body is as it is and got its problems which could be better, but that is just life. I use tools and medication to improve how it works, but what I can and can't do is often mediated by society and society is which does actively handicap me. It is a concept I didn't come up with, but which re-framed how I think, so I just took it for me. Some aspects of it are covered under the so called: Social model of disability, but it isn't a 100% fit for me.
I apologize then.
On side note : both of the languages am very familiar with aside from English are heavily gendered and it affects how i use language in my brain. A bit like how Russian people have two words for the light and dark shade of blue which made them faster at detecting difference in the shading of that color and according to some harder to learn the English word for blue due to the lack of this distinction.
Also , it's important to note that In most of the gendered languages the masculine form is neutral and in my mind i wasn't gendering you but just using a word used to call someone attention.
All this to say that i believe oneself shouldn't bound it's perception of self to language since there are thousands of languages all very different from each other and people coming from them to English are implicitly affected by their mother tongue and any other language they may know. Just be yourself in life and leave abstraction of ideas to be just that. If words can't define you, they shouldn't affect how you view yourself.
Sorry, if i touch a sensitive issue.
Yeah, but we have quite a bit of research to the contrary, that the masculine form is actually not processed as neutral. There are some who try to keep up the "masculine means all", but honestly there are a couple of experiments which in my opinion falsify that.
One question you could ask is if statistically people mention the most common self labeled genders mostly equal in speech, but that is something that I have yet to see actually be done successfully. The contradiction to it was shown in studies though.
There was a test done that asked a group of french speakers and German speakers to write a poem about the moon. In French it's feminine and is German it's masculine. They found that they gave it attributes and descriptions based on gender it has in their corresponding languages so the gendering does in fact affect the perception of the speaker. If the norm of the language is to use masculine for neutral, why would it work differently ?
I think statistically, we use 'I' and 'you' the most when speaking.
Burning woman would be more feminist
And yet would have to be actively feminist to not gather anti feminists, since it sounds eerily like witch hunts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_as_norm#Simone_de_Beauvoir
Gesturing at "some studies" when our friend didn't even specify the languages they were coming from isn't very compelling.
Also, they did still apologize and at least imply they would correct their behavior, so it seems like a scenario where not even acknowledging -- let alone accepting -- their apology isn't productive.