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[-] Krono@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

Obviously they're both evil, but calling them "equal" feels like hegemonic propaganda. What makes them equal?

Over the years, Iran has murdered 10s of thousands of people. Over the decades, a good estimate is in the hundreds of thousands of people murdered.

For the American and Israeli death tolls, you're going to have to add two zeroes to those numbers.

The Iranian murders are a rounding error when compared to the death America has been exporting for decades.

[-] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It seems like u are forgetting Iran finances a lot of Islamistic terror groups like Hisbollah, Hamas, Huthi, etc. that cause unrest in the whole region.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

I'm not forgetting that at all. I have critical support for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Huthis in their struggle for freedom and territorial integrity against genocidal Israel.

It is Israel's invasions and apartheid that causes unrest in the whole region.

America has funded more terror groups in the region than Iran has.

And in terms of numbers of dead, the number of people killed by Iran's proxies is just another rounding error.

Oh, please. That's nitpicking bullshit. Nobody is trying to downplay the pure evil the US have brought to the world for decades. But acting as if the Iranian regime isn't as bad just because they don't tallied the same numbers is idiotic. I'd argue it's simply a lack of opportunity. All of those fuckers would make the world instantly better by dropping dead. That includes the governments in the US, Israel, Iran, Russia and China at the very least, plus a load of billionaires.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

I don't think it's nitpicking at all. There is a serious difference between thousands of dead and millions of dead.

Anyone who ignores that reality is downplaying the evil that the US has wrought.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Thats mostly due to lack of ability, not lack of desire. Do you think that if the socioeconomic positions were reversed, the current Iranian regime would have been any better than the US, or Israel?

You can quibble about death toll amounts and functional ability... but that doesn't change desire.

I do believe thinking in "equal to" terms needlessly belittles the death and destruction perpetrated by these tools... but only as much as quantifying them at all. These people are sick, twisted megalomaniacal dickbags who should be brought low. Sadly that only seems to happen at the whims of other sick, twisted megalomaniacal dickbags.

The best we can do is try and wedge ourselves into the cracks to push them all out of power while trying to stave off the opportunists who try and do the same.

And not bicker amongst ourselves about the level of evilness to quantify each by.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

Why does desire matter?

I have a desire to kill billionaires. Does that matter? Should I be tried for murder? No, because I'm not actually going to kill anyone.

Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

Do you think that if the socioeconomic positions were reversed, the current Iranian regime would have been any better than the US, or Israel?

In this hypothetical the details really matter, but in general I think no, the current Iranian regime would not be better.

I think a better hypothetical would be that, if the US never did a coup in Iran and overthrow their democratically elected government, and the socioeconomic positions were reversed, would Iran be better then? I think yes.

[-] Jack@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

Agreed, but what if not stopping the IRGC ends up causing orders-of-magnitude more suffering and deaths? (Tho, is Trump actually unleashing the IRGC because Mojtaba gives them free-er reign than Ali; and causing some Iranians to actually side with their own psychotic countrymen against the attacking foreigners? If yes, then US voters may be more harmful than Iran.)

Would Hamas not be vastly worse than Israel if they had the same military power as Israel?

ISIS?

Shouldn't intent count to prevent access to biological and nuclear weapons?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Why does desire matter?

I have a desire to kill billionaires. Does that matter? Should I be tried for murder? No, because I’m not actually going to kill anyone.

Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

hey someone gets it

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