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[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

Isn't is great when someone speaks and tells you everything about who they are as a person.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Wanting US empire to collapse is certainly not everything I am as a person. I guess some are only capable to see others are cartoonish cardboard cutouts as opposed to actual people.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

The person you replied to is from the UK, so what are you going on about right now?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Evidently you don't understand what the word empire means. UK is a vassal state of the US and part of the empire.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

You literally live in a fantasy world.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

You literally have no clue about the world if you genuinely think that.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I do have a bit of a clue about the world, the UK is not a vassal state of "the US Empire". You've taken a goofy LARP that you're some kind of revolutionary fighter up against an evil empire so far, that you've started to think your fantasy game is real.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine saying that you have a clue about the world and that UK is not a vassal state of the US in the same sentence. UK is entirely dependent on US for military protection, that's a relationship of a vassal. And if you think UK has any semblance of an independent economic policy you're even more delusional. You're like a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect. 😂

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

UK is entirely dependent on US for military protection, that's a relationship of a vassal.

That is not what a vassal state is. Where did you get your wrong definition for a vassal state?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Oh, so you don't know the definition of a vassal state either. I understand your confusion now. A vassal state is a state that is subordinate to another; government chiefly directed by the interests of an overlord or patron state. The US is the patron state of the UK because UK can't have a sovereign and independent policy when it relies on military protection from US. That would be obvious to anybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

The UK is not subordinate to the US. The US does not direct UK policy.

it relies on military protection from US

No, it doesn't. The UK has its own military, and it's own military-industrial complex. The UK is not at war. It's in a co-operative military alliance, so if someone like Russia came to invade, the US would assist.

can't have a sovereign and independent policy

The US does not give a shit about the UK's policy. The UK can do what it wants.

You're literally just making stuff up, this is like flat-earth level content.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

The UK is not subordinate to the US. The US does not direct UK policy.

Absolutely adorable that you think this. US has very direct impact on UK policy and UK politics, and being part of US run NATO is the main reason UK is deeply involved in the war in Ukraine right now.

No, it doesn’t. The UK has its own military, and it’s own military-industrial complex. The UK is not at war. It’s in a co-operative military alliance, so if someone like Russia came to invade, the US would assist.

😂😂😂 https://rusi.org/news-and-comment/in-the-news/british-armys-ammunition-would-last-only-week-war-says-royal-united-services-institute

The US does not give a shit about the UK’s policy. The UK can do what it wants. 😂

You’re literally just making stuff up, this is like flat-earth level content.

You're an ignoramus https://theconversation.com/global-britain-is-becoming-a-stooge-of-the-us-168342

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

You need to do a massive mental leap to jump from that opinion piece, to "the UK is a vassal state of the US Empire". It's like you don't even read your own sources except the tiny bits that validate your insane worldview.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I love how you think that a single example I provided is all the evidence for US dominating UK policy that there is. It's like you have absolutely no clue regarding what's actually going on in geopolitics. Go read up on the "special relationship" US and UK have as another example.

It's absolutely hilarious how you keep talking about me having an insane world view here. Enjoy pretending that you live in a free and independent country I guess. 😂

Bye

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

Enjoy pretending that you live in a free and independent country I guess.

I live in the US, so what are you going on about? The US doesn't rank well globally in freedom (IE SCOTUS stripping away rights provided by RvW), but what do you mean by independent?

What is the US a vassal state to aliens? Because you smell suspiciously similar to the reptilians/adrenochrome/Jews/NWO conspiracy theories.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Ah, well you should've said you were American to start with, then I wouldn't be shocked by the stunning amount of ignorance on display. And what I mean by independent is a country that is able to make sovereign decisions in the interest of its people. I love how you have to explain the meanings of common words to Americans.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly, so who is making decisions on behalf of America? Aliens, the Jews, the Sith?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Your oligarchs are making the decisions on your behalf, I bet you think that's a conspiracy theory too though. 😂

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Like wealthy bankers? Like the Jews?

Fine, I won't call it a conspiracy theory, but you're just a hair away from saying the exact same thing a Nazi would say.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Like the wealthy capitalists who own practically everything in your country and who run your government. I guess in your fantasy world, a Princeton study analyzing decades of US policy is just a hair away from saying the exact same thing a Nazi would say.

In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose.

😂

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again, it's like you didn't read the article except the tiny bits that fit your confirmation bias. It's not saying that America is "not independent", it's not saying the oligarchs "control America". It's saying disproportionate wealth equals disproportionate power. Which should be obvious, no person should have too much wealth or too much power. That's why the US government was designed with checks and balances built in, which is not working as well as desired, but works farrr better than you see in a dictatorship like Russia.

There's no secret group controlling this big US Empire of vassal states. It's many many rich people of varying degrees of wealth (from the US or the UK or elsewhere) all fighting amongst themselves for more, and most of the time hurting the rest of us common folk in the process.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I said that UK and the rest of US vassals states weren't independent because they're entirely dependent on US for military protection as well as US economy. This is the system US set up after the end of WW2 which is what NATO essentially is, a protection racket. US has a long and well documented history of political influence and interference in Europe, and entire books have been written on this subject. Claiming this is some sort of a conspiracy theory is the height of hilarity.

It’s saying disproportionate wealth equals disproportionate power. Which should be obvious, no person should have too much wealth or too much power. That’s why the US government was designed with checks and balances built in, which is not working as well as desired, but works farrr better than you see in a dictatorship like Russia.

What it says in black and white is that the government in US passes policy in the interest of people with disproportional wealth. The study actually very clearly explains that the checks and balances US has are no better than in Russia. Again, don't take my word for it. Here's what the authors of the study conclude as reported by BBC:

"American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media)," he writes. "The US, in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious 'electoral' 'democratic' countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now."

Nobody is cherry picking anything here. You just keep acting like you're being told something outlandish out of sheer ignorance.

There’s no secret group controlling this big US Empire of vassal states. It’s many many rich people of varying degrees of wealth (from the US or the UK or elsewhere) all fighting amongst themselves for more, and most of the time hurting the rest of us common folk in the process.

Nobody suggested anything of the sort. That's just a straw man you're using to pretend you have some point here. There doesn't need to be a secret group controlling US empire of vassal states. All that's needed is having shared class interests that rich people have. Meanwhile, it's obvious that US oligarchs want to exploit countries like UK to create more profit for themselves, and US being the dominant economy in the west puts them in a position to do so.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Here's where this turns into a low IQ conspiracy theory.

You take a man, whose entire life and personality are devoted to business and capitalism and profit. Born with a golden spoon in his mouth, he's in every wealthy inner circle, he even pays a ghostwriter to write him a book called "The Art of the Deal".

He gets voted into the single most powerful position in the US. He now has the single best position to enrich himself and his family, like he has literally devoted his life to doing. He talks to his inner advisors, they crunch him the numbers, and he decides he wants to pull out of NATO, because it costs the US more than it profits.

I'm a business man. That's how business works. You want to be profitable. If a deal isn't profitable, you back out. Only keep the deals that make your business money.

It's a no-brainer, if NATO was the imperial profit generating machine you claim it to be, Trump would have been all over it. Trump would have expanded NATO, expanded the borders, made more wealth. That's what Business men like Trump do. That's why Nazis, like Tankies, are anti-NATO. Nazis don't want to pay to protect other countries, Nazis want more power. Nazis would just invade a country, like Russia does, not tried to maintain an expensive treaty.

If you find yourself often agreeing with Nazis on worldview and policy, you need some self reflection.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree, your straw man is a low IQ conspiracy theory.

The reality is that there are plenty of different capital interests in US, and not all of them are aligned. Some US capitalists make money from financial investments and prefer globalization, others are industrial capitalists who run the military industrial complex. Anybody with a couple of brain cells to rub together would understand that US capitalists don't have homogeneous interests and that Trump represents the financial camp that doesn't see much value in NATO.

The only low IQ take here is to think that Trump speaks for your entire capitalist class when it's pretty clear that US capitalists are fighting each other.

I also love how you expose yourself as lacking any capacity for critical thinking here. Just because the nazis are against NATO doesn't make NATO a good thing. The fact that you frame what you support solely in terms of opposing what the people you don't like support really underscores your intellectual capacity. I guess if nazis eat food and breathe air then you should stop doing that too.

It's always hilarious to see how liberals are incapable of thinking of anything in systemic terms. Everything is just a knee jerk reaction.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago

I never framed NATO as a good thing, lol (reading comprehension is difficult I guess). I just pointed out that it costs the US more than it makes. Although given Putin's invasion, the capitalists of the military-industrial complex are 100% making a profit, so I guess they can thank Putin for his choice to make them lots of money.

True, the capitalists don't have homogeneous interests. You can't have an empire without an emperor - a single unchanging authoritarian leader that decides the movement for the rest of the country.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

It’s a no-brainer, if NATO was the imperial profit generating machine you claim it to be, Trump would have been all over it. Trump would have expanded NATO, expanded the borders, made more wealth. That’s what Business men like Trump do. That’s why Nazis, like Tankies, are anti-NATO. Nazis don’t want to pay to protect other countries, Nazis want more power. Nazis would just invade a country, like Russia does, not tried to maintain an expensive treaty.

That very clearly frames NATO as a good thing since otherwise the orcs would invade you. Never mind the fact that NATO expansion was the reason for the war and that NATO is the primary destabilizing force in the world today.

You can’t have an empire without an emperor - a single unchanging authoritarian leader that decides the movement for the rest of the country.

You used so many words to say you're historically illiterate. Late stage empires have always looked precisely the way US empire looks today where the oligarchs put in political puppets to do the governing. Late Roman empire often had demented old men as emperors who didn't actually make any decisions.

I just love how you flaunt your ignorance with each and every comment.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

That very clearly frames NATO as a good thing since otherwise the orcs would invade you.

I wouldn't call anyone an orc, but Russia is an imperialist power trying to expand its border through a military invasion, so that is always something you need to consider. I don't consider it to be a good thing to lay down and let colonizers run over you.

NATO is not good, but Putin gives reason for NATO to not disband yet.

Never mind the fact that NATO expansion was the reason for the war

Lol, no. Did it influence Putin? Sure. Did it make the decision to lie about invading and then immediately after invade like he's a helpless little puppet on strings? No.

The $1 billion question is why isn't Putin reaching out to create defensive treaties with his neighbors first. Why not a defense treaty with Ukraine?

Once you can figure that out, your worldview will start to be a lot more sane.

Late Roman empire often had demented old men as emperors who didn't actually make any decisions.

The US is not a late state empire like Rome. That's a * hits bong * "what if history is just like repeating itself over and over again man" kind of take. Not that no similarities exist.

Just list for me for how many years the US has a demented old man in charge.

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