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[-] fidodo@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

I don't think the post is saying who's right is simple, but that both of them need to do more research until there's enough context to perform a proper assessment. In the situation shown there is not enough information to determine what the facts are and it's bad for either of them to form an opinion on incomplete context. I agree with the counterpoint, if the situation is vague, do more research first.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

That’s not as obvious as the commenter made it out to be. My entire life experience differs from someone else, some points are as obvious to me as the sky being blue, but others don’t have the same experience. This applies to so much in life; one minority knows the reality of discrimination and hate crimes and their neighbor is blissfully ignorant of that existence; and consequently end up on opposite sides of a debate and both claiming that their experience is the reality. Telling a victim of racism that they just “need to do more research” is only going to insult them. That goes back to my point that people should try to understand the other person’s mindset, not necessarily the same.

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

You're basically just agreeing with the correction in the meme but assuming the exact opposite result. In your example of a victim of racism and one who isn't, there is one truth. Racism exists. The person who says it doesn't because they don't see it is objectively wrong.

The original meme is saying the victim of racism is right, but also the person who says it doesn't exist is also right.

I don't think you'd agree with that. Moreover, the explanation is very clear that it isn't choosing one over the other. You did so for some reason to try and get people to emotionally react. One person is wrong. Unless it's a work of art and the artist didn't intend to be vague, the painter clearly painted one or the other. Without context, you don't know, so you should find out before claiming anyone is right.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The person who says it doesn’t because they don’t see it is objectively wrong.

One person is wrong.

That’s not what the meme is saying, neither is objectively right, they just have different perspectives on the same object they see.

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Then your example was poorly chosen. And the meme is poorly formed because it's technically wrong.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No it’s a good example that shows how your assumption of the meme CAN be wrong.

[-] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I dont think anyone is gonna listen to your points since they already labeled you as their enemy. It always happens to those that sugest that oposing sides should understeand each other and work togheter. I guess its because they always asume you are talking about usa politics, their bypartisan culture wars are a giant cespool and see them everywhere, and those that sugest that they should work togheter get bashed in here.

I think you are right tough, even if there is a universal truth, we should come togheter to organize how we are gonna face it. Like with your example, people that doesnt suffer racism should understeand that there are people that do suffer it so that they can call it out when they see it and people that do suffer it should understeand that there are some that are willing to help and even fight alongside them to call out injustices, so that they know that they have alies, and thats where im gonna leave it at since i dont wanna get to much into a subject that i dont know much about.

Otherwise just let this one go.