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A reminder that as the US continues to threaten countries around the world, fedposting is to be very much avoided (even with qualifiers like "in Minecraft") and comments containing it will be removed.

Image is an illustration that I have made to show what each side means when they say that Hormuz is "open" or "closed", as various officials and analysts have created a lot of confusion with their statements, both intentionally and unintentionally.


I'm tentatively going back to the weekly thread format in the hopes that even if/when the conflict resumes, daily comment counts will keep us at or below ~3000 per week. If not, we'll just go back to the 3000 comment threshold being what triggers a new thread being created.

The events of the last two weeks have been the most unintelligible of at least the last four years, and on some days I took one look at the situation and decided to just not even bother and do something else until the next day.

To attempt to summarize:

long summary

Against many people's expectations, including my own, the ceasefire was not immediately scuttled upon its inception despite violations (predominantly against Lebanon), which indicates to me that both the US and Iran wanted a ceasefire more than they wanted to continue firing, at least for two weeks. For both sides, it represented an opportunity to reorganize, rebuild, and restrategize going forward.

The US has continued its rapid flurry of airlifting to and from the Middle East, and while what exactly they have brought and intend to do next is a mystery, airlifting is a very inefficient method of transferring resources en masse, meaning that any kind of massive ground invasion is still many months away (though I still strongly doubt it'll ever happen). Attempting to do more raids like the failed Istafan raid seems like the most likely option, as well as perhaps some disastrous attempts to hold Gulf islands.

Meanwhile, Iran has been excavating the entrances to their missile cities and has rapidly rebuilt bridges and railway lines. While the rate of reconstruction has shocked some observers, people like us who have paid abnormally high attention to the Ukraine War will not be surprised - infrastructure is very difficult to take out for any meaningful length of time even when it's not purposefully decentralized. It also seems extremely likely that Iran has continued to receive shipments of resources and weapons from Russia and China, though what exactly is being supplied is not concretely known.

Iran sent a highly qualified team to Pakistan to negotiate, and the US sent, among others, Vice President Vance too. After a marathon ~20 hour session, no deal was struck, and both sides left Pakistan (the Iranian team taking many precautions to not get shot down). While the nuclear issue seemed to be the major sticking point, it is very difficult to see the US - and Trump in particular - formally agreeing to a tollbooth in Hormuz or the retreat from their Middle Eastern bases even if they have already effectively retreated from most of them.

These negotiations took place in an environment of constant violations of the ceasefire on the Lebanon front. Iran initially tied their attendance of talks to a total cessation of conflict in Lebanon, though ultimately decided to go to Islamabad without a de facto ceasefire but with some sort of guarantee that we'll go tell Netanyahu to stop firing for a while. A few days after the negotiations failed, a more comprehensive ceasefire was actually achieved in Lebanon. It's still a Zionist Ceasefire ("you cease fire, we keep attacking"), and the Zionists committed several massive civilian atrocities just before the ceasefire began. After the ceasefire began, violations have, to my knowledge, been remarkably few up to the time of me writing this.

Shortly after the failure of negotiations, the US began their own blockade of Iran's ports. As the US Navy cannot get within a few hundred miles of even the entrance of the Strait of Hormuz, the blockade is taking place at some line in the Sea of Oman, where Iranian ships will be intercepted. The confusion caused by this situation has been incredible, with a few days of people tracking Iranian tankers closely, concluding that if they had crossed the Strait of Hormuz, they had successfully ran the blockade (they had not). After about a week of this de jure blockade, it was indeed confirmed to be real when the US captured its first Iranian oil tanker. This prompted Iran to fully close the Strait of Hormuz (see the megathread image), and there are reports of, as always, at best questionable veracity that in response to the US's blockade of their blockade, Iran possibly intends to 1) totally blockade Gulf State ports in the Persian Gulf of any kind, not just oil, and/or 2) talk to their ally Ansarallah and have them blockade the Red Sea (and they seem keen to do so in support of the Resistance).

Additionally, Iran has made the end of the US blockade the precondition to enter into new negotiations. The short term and even medium term effect of the US blockade will be minimal - China has a colossal strategic petroleum reserve which will last them several months even with their economy at full steam even assuming all Middle Eastern imports are cut off overnight, and Iran itself is not wholly reliant on oil exports for basic survival like other oil states (though it'll certainly hurt the economy if prolonged). There are also certain ways that the blockade can be subverted, like potentially some advanced shadow fleet tactics with the cooperation of allied countries, or, in the long term, the construction of overland oil transportation routes (a significant railway route was constructed in the last few years between Iran and China).

Last week's thread is here.
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The Zionist Entity's Genocide of Palestine

If you have evidence of Zionist crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against the temporary Zionist entity. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on the Zionists' destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

Mirrors of Telegram channels that have been erased by Zionist censorship.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you want an industrial civilization on earth that doesn't also collapse the biosphere, then space absolutely has to be in play, a cottagcore solar punk communist revolution is not around the corner and its not an either or thing, both developments need to happen simultaneously

Space development by either China or even the haphazard capitalist funded orgs are necessary for the emergence of novel innovations and technical refinement for the space and earth bound technologies that will be needed to negate the climate apocalypse

If you've ever managed any sort of artificial environment (aquarium, terrarium, hydroponics etc) you'll have an appreciation of how suddenly these fail and how much management they require even with all of the earth sheltering and supporting it, and cities of people available for help and reasources. If giant artificial farms on earth aren't a particularly plausible way to feed people why would they be easier in space?

It's almost like solving these technical hurdles in space has massive implications and applications for mass scaled "billions supporting" agriculture here on earth and maybe the overarching reason we would want to move agriculture and industry to space is that so we don't collapse the fucking climate!

The conservatism and luddism that scoffs at these developments like these can quickly morph into climate denialism

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 20 points 5 days ago

technologies that will be needed to negate the climate apocalypse

We already have the technology. This is not an issue

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 5 days ago

A technology that negates apocalypse has to scale and be realized socially, economically and poltically on a macro global scale

Thanks to the state subsidized efforts of China and its diffusion and transfer of some green tech, CERTAIN elements of the apocalypse have been delayed....while other markers are accelerating, so we're nowhere near negation by way of the mere existence of certain extant tech

This is why I find these reactionary luddite sentiments so contemptible; aside from spitting on the visionary history of socialism it also advances magical thinking in regards to tech, ignoring its difficult maintenance and integration into a world dominated by capitalism

We desperately need more development in every field, particularly space, not less, it's utterly bizarre for a group who considers themselves socialists to entertain reductionist and reactionary takes like the kind displayed in this thread

I get it, the imperialist Americans went around the moon, ouch oof

You know what China should do? They should land on the moon, build a fuckin base and give the world more critical novel innovations from the results

Space is our vision, not the capitalists

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 12 points 5 days ago

magical thinking in regards to tech, ignoring its difficult maintenance and integration into a world dominated by capitalism

you are the one claiming we need to do more innovations. its like wunderwaffe for climate change. what magical innovation are we lacking? degrowth and reforestation is dead simple.

i am not anti tech or anti space. your other points are not arguing with anything i've said. my point is purely that climate change is a solveable issue. we have all the tech we need. it is a problem of controlling the means of production. to say that more tech would solve climate change is a reactionary talking point. this is literally the Bill Gates-ian vision of the world. i am not sure why you are trying to spin it as the opposite.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

what magical innovation are we lacking? degrowth and reforestation is dead simple.

How on earth are you gonna realize degrowth without the necessary super scalable technologies that can manage it socially and economically that doesn't result in the deaths of billions and emergence of further fascism?

And sorry to burst your bubble but we could reforest all of the sahara and it would still be too late to prevent the coming catastrophe, also you have a poor idea the amount of labor and resources required for reforesting to yield significant climate postive results, it's mega structure levels of logistics and energy expenditures

my point is purely that climate change is a solveable issue. we have all the tech we need

No we don't, I don't know what subreddit put this idea in your head, but not even China is carbon neutral and the rare earth supply line is not an infinite pool of resources that can be gureenteed to scale to the levels needed for a climate secure globe

it is a problem of controlling the means of production. to say that more tech would solve climate change is a reactionary talking point

Both those points are true and mutually reinforcing, the means of production ARE a technology! The development of the means of production to guarantee their usage doesn't collapse the biosphere we rely on isn't simply a desirable afterthought that we can fudge, its a existential, civilizational, socialistic obligation

Like are you all Owenists now, is that the idea? Are we all supposed to buy some farmland in Ohio, build a greenhouse and plant some trees and sing kumbaya happily ever after?

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

Like are you all Owenists now, is that the idea? Are we all supposed to buy some farmland in Ohio, build a greenhouse and plant some trees and sing kumbaya happily ever after?

no, we should also vote for zohran mamdani

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 19 points 5 days ago

Space exploration certainly has it's place as an engine for technological development but I remain sceptical about it becoming this Deus ex machina that solves our problems as a species.

Earth is perfectly capable of supporting its current population and quite a lot more given our current level of technological development. People going without the material resources they need for a dignified existence is primarily a political and economic problem, not a technical one.

No matter how much we manage to fuck up earth, making it inhabitable for more people than today is going to be orders of magnitude easier than making long-term large scale human settlement in space viable to be.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 12 points 5 days ago

Earth is perfectly capable of supporting its current population and quite a lot more given our current level of technological development

Why do people keep saying this as if we're not in the middle of a global climate collapse and the Great Holocene Extinction?

Yes in a vacuum conception of earth tens of billions of human beings could stand on the earth's surface and presumably not starve to death

But I would think people who subscribe to a communist view of reality would inherently understand its not simply a matter of physics but a question of politics and social organization

We want and need an industrial civilization with high standards of living, meanwhile the earth is dying; there's a potential synthesis here that is begging the attention of people who claim to subscribe to socialism, and that synthesis is pointing toward the path of least resistance, where the biosphere isn't brushing up against human development, and that path is called space

[-] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 20 points 5 days ago

I get the sense that you are an enthusiast rather than an expert, or even an expert in any related scientific field.

It is easy to make sweeping claims of possibility from a place or pop science but the realities are so much more technical. If you are interested in this stuff then I'd encourage you to check out zach weinersmith's book "a city on mars" which is a very even handed, and to my mind far too optimistic, examination of a small percentage of the barriers to human space colonisation.

It's very easy reading, and a good jumping off point if you want to learn more about any of the potential problems.

We can do cool hydroponics research without building rockets btw, and actually many solutions to earth problems are probably surprisingly low tech. Stuff like bamboo reenforced concrete, or the green circles claiming the sahara are cheap, terrestrial, and humanity transforming innovations just as two examples.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I get the sense that you are an enthusiast rather than an expert, or even an expert in any related scientific field.

You couldn't even immediately clock how closed system technical innovations in space could have applications for hydroponics systems here on earth where the most important issue is environmental pollution potential

Like don't even front

If you are interested in this stuff then I'd encourage you to check out zach weinersmith's book "a city on mars" which is a very even handed

Space development is not confined to idea of colonizing Mars, dispersed and diffused rotational habitats is where the real science is pointing toward and the barriers in that field are primarily economic, which is why communists are obliged to contest this ground and show up the capitalists who are more concerned with marketing and profits than the further development of worldchanging novel innovations

We can do cool hydroponics research without building rockets btw

We also do cool hydroponics research in space and the applications that result have transformed hydroponics multiple times

Stuff like bamboo reenforced concrete, or the green circles claiming the sahara are cheap, terrestrial, and humanity transforming innovations just as two examples.

Again, it's not either or, those innovations are useful but they're not enough to secure the climate or support billions on their own

[-] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Are you an expert then?

You aren't, and you're annoyed at me for poking holes in your fantasy instead of taking this as an opportunity to learn.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 5 days ago

Learn what? Pretentious luddism and some rustic utopian fantasy about r/Offgrid low tech bullshit that's somehow going to overcome the capitalist world order all by its lonesome?

I have no patience for reactionary takes concerning critical technologies, we need super charged development in all fields, particularly space development if we're going to survive the next centruy without a million species deaths and dozens of holocausts

[-] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 12 points 5 days ago
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