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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

A plant should have been way cheaper than meat to begin with. Who do they think they're fooling?

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just of the top of my head here are some possible ideas to explain why not:

  • Meat subsidies
  • Meat substitutes require more processing and additional ingredients
  • Meat sells a lot more than meat substitutes hence the whole chain benefits more from economies of scale
  • Animals raised for meat can extract nutrition from plants and parts of plants which humans cannot (for example cattle can actually break up the fiber in food and extract nutrition from it, which humans cannot), plus they can eat plants which are far more hardy than most plants grown for human consumption. Some will also eat other animals which humans do not, such as insects.

I doubt it's just one of those things that is responsible and suspect it's a mix of those and maybe more.

Meat and dairy are heavily subsidised

[-] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

I don't know about your country, but here in Poland "meat subsidies" are targeted at improving animal welfare or insurance (e.g. from avian flu for poultry). I fail to see how it is a problem?

[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is correct, however:

You need to also take into account that plants are just the primary ingredients and it needs a lot of intermediary steps during manufacturing.

I say this not to say you're incorrect but just to be a more complete picture so it's unassailable

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

what are you on about? don't you know it's far cheaper to grow a bunch of plants and then feed it to an animal for a long period of time while that animal grows and then harvest that animal for a small portion of the calories it consumed?

[-] coriza@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

If it is the same process I saw years ago they extract something from vegetables that is what gives blood its color and taste, and that is the the sauce that make it taste like meat, and that process, I guess, is expensive at least in part because plants have very little of this compound.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

Fake meat is expensive because greedy capitalists know they can charge more for it, simple as that.

[-] Teppa@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders. -99.10% return in 5 years, the greedy capitalist pigdogs.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them

[-] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do

[-] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I can chime in here (I work in plant based meat). It should be but it's not. Why... Lots of reasons. But basicly it's split between animal based meat is artificially cheap and plant based meat costs a lot to make. A lot of the costs (for the good brands) are in the flavorings.

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

It will only be cheap with large economy of scale factories

[-] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

I mean beyond meat production process is famously industrial and complex; there's even South Park episode on it where Cartman agrees to eat it because it's the same unhealthy factory made slop that he's used to.

Now, for the beyond meat oil use. They apparently dropped refined coconut and canola oil in favour of avocado oil. And oh boy, avocado oil production is almost as bad as if Nestle owned all of it, but at least it should be healthier than coconut/canola mix, right? And then most avocado oil is fraudulent soybean/sunflower/other mixes.

And then there's also avocado oil deforestation/water use etc.

My points are:

  • Beyond Meat is slop; let's not switch processed cold cuts for a sludge.

  • you're better off (health-wise and climate wise) making different bean patties (chop 'em, freeze 'em, shape 'em, cook 'em) and lowering your red meat intake than switching to beyond meat.

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