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[-] texture@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

only 29% more expensive is still criminally cheap for meat prices. meat and dairy subsidies have made a western world where i typically need to pay the same or more for a vegggie burger than a meat one.

29% should be more like 70%.

[-] pfried@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If the meatless option is 29% cheaper, the meat option is .29/(1-.29) = 41% more expensive, not 29%. Meatballs in the article are .41/(1-.41) = 69% more expensive than plantballs, which is close to your target number.

I remember the days when a veggie cheeseburger was a grilled cheese sandwich. Progress.

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[-] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 104 points 3 days ago

Honestly as long as it doesn't taste weird or have a strange texture I don't mind plant based meats

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Impossible, at least to me, is functionally indistinguishable from a ground beef patty. Back when I was vegetarian and before I was vegan, I went to Burger King on lunch to try the Impossible Whopper. I wasn't fond of Burger King, but I was mostly curious enough to see what an Impossible Burger tasted like having had Beyond at home once (where Beyond is pretty easily distinguished from ground beef by its flavor).

Walked in, walked out, took a bite in my car. Straight-up almost went back in and asked for a new one before realizing it wouldn't do any ethical good and that I didn't have the time. This was even after seeing that it was in the Impossible-branded wrapper. I decided to go there another time to "try the real one", and it was the same. I was dumbfounded; it was straight-up just a Whopper – having admittedly not eaten a BK burger in a few years at that point. (They also put mayo on it by default without telling you, so good job, BK.)

[-] stephen@lazysoci.al 30 points 3 days ago

I had the same experience. I couldn’t tell the difference at all. Wondered if a mistake had been made, but had the same experience the next time. And I’ve had enough people tell me that they can’t tell the difference.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 26 points 3 days ago

Same! My introduction was that I ordered the "burger" at a gastropub that was a vegan restaurant (unbeknownst to me). It was delicious so I asked the bartender for another and he goes "another veggie burger?" and I said "No I had the meat burger" and he replied "we don't have a meat burger here". My mind was blown! And now I don't buy beef anymore lol

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

The greatly increased sodium content is a concern for my household, though.

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[-] jtrek@startrek.website 48 points 3 days ago

I don't have an emotional attachment to meat. I'd like non-meat stuff to be cheaper, and the real costs of meat to be accounted for.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago

This. I could go vegan today if the fake meat stuff was more affordable. Right now I'm maybe half of the way there.

It already is... Also consider your health to be a motivator. Meat (especially processed) isn't good for health.

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[-] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 49 points 3 days ago

When the reverse was true it really rubbed me the wrong way. Soybeans are dirt cheap and soybean meal (the defatted version) even more so. On agricultural markets soybean meal is around 300-400 dollars per metric ton. That means it's traded for less than a dollar per kg. Yet soy based vegan products were for years more expensive than the meat alternative, and lots of these animals would have eaten more than 1kg of soy containing feed to produce each kg of meat. It makes no sense to me. Yes processing the soy meal into a tasty meat alternative is not cheap, obviously, but are you telling me the soy meal to meat conversion is cheaper than the soy meal to faux meat conversion? Really put me off from vegan products.

Same is true for things like oat milk. Oats in bulk cost pretty much nothing yet they managed to sell it for more than cow milk. What am I paying for? Marketing? Corporate profits? And don't bring up the whole "animal proteins are subsidized" bit. I don't know about the US but in the EU the subsidies are based on agricultural area. 1 hectare of soy plantation gets the same amount of subsidies as 1 hectare of any other animal feed crop. That's not the explanation.

I see this as a huge improvement and if plant based products are to really take off they have to be an affordable alternative even to the non vegan.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 19 points 3 days ago

Soybeans as a commodity can be cheap, but that doesnt mean that an end product made out of soybeans will also inherently be cheap.

The market for soybean based meat alternatives is not that huge, so one of the more expensive aspects of trying to have an end product in an actual brick and mortar store is going to be getting space on the shelf in the first place. Packaging design and maybe some marketing, not to mention creating the actual product itself. All that stuff is expensive even if its mostly soybeans that the end product is made from

Laundry detergent is like 95% water, but it costs far more than if it was actually 100% water

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

A plant should have been way cheaper than meat to begin with. Who do they think they're fooling?

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just of the top of my head here are some possible ideas to explain why not:

  • Meat subsidies
  • Meat substitutes require more processing and additional ingredients
  • Meat sells a lot more than meat substitutes hence the whole chain benefits more from economies of scale
  • Animals raised for meat can extract nutrition from plants and parts of plants which humans cannot (for example cattle can actually break up the fiber in food and extract nutrition from it, which humans cannot), plus they can eat plants which are far more hardy than most plants grown for human consumption. Some will also eat other animals which humans do not, such as insects.

I doubt it's just one of those things that is responsible and suspect it's a mix of those and maybe more.

Meat and dairy are heavily subsidised

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[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is correct, however:

You need to also take into account that plants are just the primary ingredients and it needs a lot of intermediary steps during manufacturing.

I say this not to say you're incorrect but just to be a more complete picture so it's unassailable

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[-] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 3 days ago

I like cheap and accessible plant-based alternatives. But this doesn't really sound like that. It's much closer to "now the poor people have to eat weeds lol"

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 11 points 3 days ago

A distinction without a difference. Let's subsidize legumes and plant-based products to the same level animal-based parts are subsidized and see which one is cheaper.

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[-] vatlark@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I like that as the meat industry pushes to prevent plant based food from using certain meat words like "sausage" and "burger" but there will always be other slightly less common words, like "mince" and "hash"

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[-] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago

In the states, you can buy 4 big blocks of tofu for next to nothing at Costco.

It’s super easy to make (throw some soy sauce, sesame oil, and rice vinegar on small pieces in the toaster oven) and delicious.

Costco Tofu

[-] Saffire@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago

Extra form tofu.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I thought the MAGA clowns were going to import Argentinian beef to lower the prices in the USA? Oh the fuck well. Zero sympathy, you voted for the BS.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

MAGA importing beef… to the UK?

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[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The beyond burgers I just bought are still 15% more expensive than premium chicken or beef burgers. I'm still waiting for the alternative I was promised.

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[-] caboose2006@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

And here in the US it seems the prices are going up to keep pace with beef prices. I'd love to have plant based be cheeper. As it is rn I basically never eat meat. Both are too expensive

[-] dudesss@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago

Lentils, beans, tofu, chickpeas. Much healthier, cheaper.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago

Sure, but I also want some affordable fake meat.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago

Genuinely I might end up going vegan for mostly financial reasons

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago

There's some good vegan recipe communities here on lemmy if you want some inspiration

!veganhomecooks@lemmy.world

!veganrecipes@sh.itjust.works

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