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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/may/05/richard-dawkins-ai-consciousness-anthropic-claude-openai-chatgpt

Video discussion of this event by Steve Shives (known for his star trek videos but also does politics) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMQAv-JYpk

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[-] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One of my top 5 books. It's also free to read online. https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

It in no way supports that LLMs can be sentient. And despite the arguments in the book that consciousness and awareness can be missing in an advanced species capable of space travel, I do not actually believe that's true. But I enjoy the argument and speculation.

The book is highly researched and even contains a reference list of legit research articles. However it is a book of fiction and the writer took artistic liberties when needed to make an interesting story over facts.

For instance. A brain cannot contain two or more personalities because a personality is a full brain deal.

But it's an interesting argument about cultural designations of what counts as mental illness.

Also the reason I do not think a space traveling species can exist without consciousness.

Because. Motivation.

It's that simple.

An organism can be shaped behaviorally by the environment. That's part of evolution. And this shaping can be unconscious.

But at a point, creative construction and ambition to exceed ones given optimal environment for a less optimal one (space) must be an intentional effort.

The scientific research and experimentation required to build complex machines requires a thinking and understanding mind. Because it requires critical thinking.

Critical thinking and creativity is a characteristic that requires a sense of self.

Even in our own history we see that it takes a specific type of person to pursue scholarly work. People who are less conformist are generally more capable of new inventions, research, and challenging acceptable beliefs of the mass. We never see the most rule following conformist being these people.

If everyone was like that, we wouldn't survive. So diversity of mental proclivities within a species is necessary for advancement. Otherwise optimal survival would be met and stagnate.

Think of the horseshoe crab as an example. A perfect organism. Unchanged for 350 million years. Then there is us. Same age. . And look at the difference.

Furthermore , I am a researcher in perception. And the field of perception is often referenced for the exploration of what is consciousness.

There are many definitions. But the sense of self is one. And a popular one.

Higher complex perception creates a sense of self.

It's a product of the system.

The book does discuss this a bit.

I need to know my body and my actions are not the same as you. That you stand there and I stand over here.

I can perform an action and you can perform a different one that is unknown to me and not within my control.

This understanding of separateness. Of ",this is what I'm experiencing and where I am (spatially)" is something that would always emerge from higher perception. Such as that in most animals.

Maybe not in plants, fungi, bacteria, single cell microbes, etc.

But there are arguments and evidence for some of those examples as well.

As a final point. (I doubt anyone read all that).

Most people who think a probability model (current AI) is capable of consciousness usually have an incredibly simplified view of how the brain processes information.

They follow old school "behaviorist" perspectives. Or "the black box" perspective on brain functioning.

But a neuroscientist will tell you it's not simple at all. It's not info in, info out.

The system is changed, biologically, by the input.

The same input given twice will result in a different output the 2nd time.

And the 3rd. And how frequently the input is given or it's temporal relation to other stimuli will also change its output.

This is because the organic brain learns. And this learning is a biological change in the actual neural structures (connections) and neurons firing potential. Every single moment the brain is physically , biologically, changing.

Computations in the brain don't use actual math. It's all estimates (heuristics). And these are not well understood how these computations are made. They don't work as predicted.

There are always too many factors.

Individual motivations, including personality traits are also a factor in how the information is processed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray%27s_biopsychological_theory_of_personality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_coding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebbian_theory

[-] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Now what did you think of Echopraxia?

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I'll be honest, I've read Blindsight a few times and pretty sure only read echopraxia once. Like 10 years ago.

But I re-read the synopsis to refresh my memory.

I remember liking Blindsight more. But not why.

I'm also not sure which story elements I'm remembering came from which book.

Was the whole vampire arch and twist from book 1 or 2?

Can you remind me of a few specific points ? Maybe that will jog my memory. Or maybe I just need to re-read it.

[-] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

So the vampire bit is used in both, in book 1 the main character journeys with one and at the end of the story starts to think Earth has been taken over by vampires due to radio transmissions he's receiving on his long voyage back home. Book 2 begins with a prologue of a group of vampires breaking out of their holding cells, reversing the Crucifix Glitch on their captors, and then their leader eventually groups up with the main character (as well as the dad of book 1's MC) and they all journey to the Sun (or rather, a station orbiting the sun). The second book also has that group/cult of people who are trying to make a gestalt consciousness, the Bicamurals I think they're called.

Like ai told another commenter, I don't like it as much as Blindsight, but I still think Echopraxia is really good, they just focus on wildly different topics.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah okay that all sounds familiar. I'm going to have to give it another read.

Now I'm thinking about this gestalt consciousness you mentioned. And I'm very curious how that is defined in the book.

I definitely don't remember.

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