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[-] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 131 points 22 hours ago

Both sides are just people with interests, i never understood the smart/dumb distinctions, there's just interests, dedication and morals

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Lots of upvotes, but that's simply not true. It is true that people can be gifted in one area and not in others, but those people can excel in those areas more than someone even more passionately interested could ever hope to.

I knew a guy named Joe Rohde. You can look him up, he ended up being a head of imagineering at Disney. When I knew him, he was a high school art teacher, and then just starting at Disney. His aptitude for art was off the charts, and his mom said that was true when he was four and able to draw 3D renderings when his peers couldn't do stick figures. Sure, he practiced and developed skills, but his ability to hold a 3D image in his mind, tweak and rotate it, and then put it on paper, is something innate. He was absolute crap at math.

I spent 40 years at a company that mostly made rocket engines for NASA and the DoD, working with literal rocket scientists. I met all sorts of very smart people. Some were the stereotypical scientist that were geniuses in a particular area but had no skills outside of it, but others were just simply brilliant at anything they turned their mind to. Many of them defied the stereotype and also has great social skills.

It might be nice to think that anyone can be truly great at anything they put their mind to, but I've seen too many people who are truly great at things to believe it. Some people are just wired differently.

Edit: and none of the above mentions gender because gender doesn't factor into it.

[-] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 2 points 29 minutes ago

his ability to hold a 3D image in his mind, tweak and rotate it, and then put it on paper, is something innate.

This is coincidentally a symptom of dyslexia, so you are right to think of it as something innate, unfortunately. It's also why so many architects are dyslexic.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 minutes ago

He was trying to explain how it is one time, and he showed me by drawing a picture of a galloping horse, but he didn't sketch it out and then fill in the detail. He started at the nose and did it in full detail, left to right, like he was uncovering the drawing by lifting a sheet. It was really amazing.

[-] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

True, and it actually makes up the majority of the skill as well, i just don't like to look at people as gifted or lucky because it's unfair, it's kind of sad hahaha

I get easily conquered by defeatism if it's done through pure logic and there's no doubt about luck being a huge factor in skill! And in life in general, So i just kind of look away and continue grinding what i enjoy, because it's the only thing you can do to enjoy competitive activities

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Even more so, luck is a big component of success. You can have both skill and hard work and not be successful at something. Likewise, some of the people who are successful aren't the most skilled, talented, or hardest working. There are correlations between success and those things, but luck is certainly a factor.

[-] searabbit@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago

When people say some people are wired different, they're usually thinking of high functioning autistic people. I would argue "innate talent" is very often autistic brains (look up the local overconnectivity theory) developing a special interest young enough that it became as second nature as other things typically learned at such early an age like a native language.

But I think what they're talking about is moreso relevant when we're talking about two people with equal potential because no one is disputing that the intellectually disabled exist. Two gifted kids may develop very different special interests. One might be reading math books at 8 years old likely because their parents are engineers while the other hyperfocuses on Harry Potter just because. The first gifted kid might tie their identity to their intelligence and look down on the other as being stupid. The second kid might internalize the message and who knows what they could've been. Society will label the first person as smart and point at all their status achievements as proof and label the second person as stupid and point at all their unproductive hobbies and lack of achievements as proof. But those external validators have much more to do with their interests, dedication, and what they value than they do with innate intelligence. I would also add onto this socioeconomic class as the biggest factor, but that's its own discussion.

[-] lath@piefed.social 35 points 21 hours ago

I was once interested in time travel. My dedication was boundless and my morals were questionable. I only got smart enough to know I'm too dumb to make it work.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 32 points 21 hours ago

Good news, I figured out the secret to time travel. I'm now travelling forward in time by a second, every second! Pay $999 to learn My secret!

[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 17 points 21 hours ago

Pff amateur, I can even travel forward in time by slightly less than a second every second!

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

pff that’s nothing, the faster I go times stays the same for me, but goes faster for everyone else!

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 6 points 20 hours ago

PFFFFFT to you!

I travel forward in time 1000 mileseconds every second!!!!!

Plus its only 995€ for my secret!

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 5 points 20 hours ago

A second? That's rookie numbers. I travel a week and it usually only takes seven days to do so

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 18 points 20 hours ago

Clearly you have never met stupid people. Lucky you.

[-] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

Right but only one side is compensating.

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago

You've never met someone who's just plain dumb? I have bad news.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

Nah, that would be great news. Being dumber than anyone you’ve ever met makes you less responsible for things like climate change and political violence than the people around you (morally, at least; you’re probably literally more of a cause, because you’re more likely to be right wing, but if you’ve already jumped that hurdle, maybe you aren’t). Plus, if your own life is a wreck, it feels better to blame an inherent limitation than something you could change, if only you had the discipline. If your own life is great, you’ve overcome a serious obstacle and should be proud of yourself.

[-] stephen01king@piefed.zip 3 points 16 hours ago

I think you're lucky if you've never had an interest you weren't smart enough to enjoy properly.

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 6 points 19 hours ago

finally someone gets it

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah but some are able to get better at them than others. Talent does play a role and it's best if interests align.

[-] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 1 points 17 hours ago

It’s someone who sucked at school clinging to their sense of intellectual superiority in spite of that.

[-] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago

Not really, i've know many people like this who were bottom of their class and had edge over me in chess, fun games like it or random specific trivia, they don't do it to feel intellectually superior they do it because it's more enjoyable to them than studying

They're not dumb they're just not trying altogether, and when i talk with them about the topics they enjoy they actually show great understanding on them, it's all just people with interests

If they were trying, say in a debate and they're deliberately refusing to follow simple proofs they themselves use, yeah then they're dumb, but i've never come across someone like that that still managed to be good at something, it's a core part of learning as a process

Sure there are people with useful interests and ones with useless ones, but i refuse to call the useful ones smart and useless ones dumb, it's demeaning to those people's capabilities, i don't hold anyone to this way of thinking it's just mine

this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2026
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