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It's already illegal to carry a firearm and commit a crime...you wanting to make it double illegal? No this talking point is exactly that, a spot on assessment that laws like this only attack the law abiding gun owners. That's exactly what they're designed for, to create more criminals.
Do you really not understand the concept behind adding charges to extend sentences? It's why Trump has been indicted so many times.
This is great if you assume all gun carriers are going to commit a crime with their gun.
The problem is this order can be used to attack people who are otherwise doing nothing wrong, who might be caring explicitly because they want to protect themselves from the crime wave this order is trying to address.
Maybe the answer isn’t more guns.
The answer to the drug abuse epidemic isn't more drugs either. But banning drugs didn't do anything to help communities nor will banning guns.
So what accounts for the difference between the US and the rest of the developed world when it comes to gun crimes?
Social safety nets.
Things like: Universal health care, stronger worker protections, better welfare support, better maternal/paternal assistance.
People making enough money to support themselves, aren't in constant danger of layoffs just to boost profits, can access physical and mental healthcare cheaply, aren't financially ruined because they have a baby and new a few months off work, and aren't in danger of losing everything over an emergency room visit aren't out committing violent crimes.
Focusing on "gun" violence ignores the root cause of violent crimes regardless of the weapon of choice.
Every other country has problems too.
That’s just pointing to another problem and hoping people get distracted by it and not pay attention to the guns.
I didn't say those were problems to distract from gun violence. I said those things are a solution to violence more broadly. And as a bonus, those social nets help everyone while not violating this country's fundamental rights.
But that fundamental right has already been violated, there’s plenty of places you can’t bring guns and plenty of people who can’t own them.
Every country has problems, the states are not unique that way. But they are unique among developed countries with their gun crimes.
And I've pointed to strong solutions to help being us in line with other nations. Adding more violations to our constitutional rights is not something I support.
Guns, surprisingly enough, are a major contributing factor to gun problems.
You can’t look at gun crime problems but dismiss any conversation about the guns themselves.
I haven't dismissed any suggestions in this conversation. "less guns" is not an actual suggestion, its a vague platitude.
You just dismissed the conversation about guns again.
Okay
Why do you think there are laws prohibiting the possession of certain items or substances at all? I mean, why should a law abiding citizen owning a bomb, a sample of smallpox virus or a few pounds of heroin be a problem? Crimnals will get them anyhow and if they use them, it`s already illegal. Why is driving while intoxicated illegal? Wouldn't it be sufficient if only causing an accident while drunk driving would be illegal? That would certainly be way easier and cheaper to police. Why do we have building codes? Unless the house collapses or blows up, nothing bad has happemed yet.
Are...you assuming there are no gun laws out there? This is just dumb logic....there are over 20k laws on the books for guns....