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That's ridiculous, but I think the title makes it sound a lot more ridiculous than it actually is.
If he could just drive off a collapsed bridge without any warnings someone has clearly not taken their responsibility.
If there's a lack of signage and road blocks, and the map says the road is fine, I can see how one would make such an error.
I don't agree google maps should be held accountable here, but if this bridge has been collapsed for a decade, I can see why someone would want to at least pose the question.
I would agree, however if this statement from the article can be proven:
Then there might be an argument that Google was negligent in not updating it's maps. I'd agree that it's a weak argument and that the Terms of Service likely contains a clause like "you are responsible to watch out for road conditions". But, if the bridge has been out for a decade and multiple attempts to update Google about the collapsed bridge had been made, that may rise to the level of negligence.
I encountered this issue too. An overpass near me was demolished but Google Maps was still showing it there. I submitted an edit and included a link to the state DOT's website about the project that clearly stated the overpass would be permanently demolished and not replaced. My edit was rejected.
Google’s editing algorithm is atrocious.
I’m a local guide, although I haven’t really done much in ages. Still, one day not too long ago I was standing in a new business that wasn’t on maps yet. I added the business, photos, hours, even their phone number and it was immediately rejected.
Sometimes you can get small changes approved but change more than one or two things and it’s immediately rejected too. Doesn’t help much with saying “road isn’t here” though.
I tried to report a restaurant as closed. I was looking forward to eating there while out of town. It was empty, had a big CLOSED sign in the window, and was surrounded by construction equipment and road barriers. I took pictures of all of this and they still rejected my edit.
They did approve my addition of a river access in the middle of nowhere, though.
Keep in mind it's not an all or nothing thing, they'll assign percentages of fault. It's also important that they name name basically anybody involved because the others will try to blame Google to shift fault off of themselves.
Effectively you want to name everybody possible so that they all fight it out.
All signs and barriers kept getting moved/stolen.
If the bridge was no longer there why wasn't there massive unmovable concrete barriers in the road?
I was as baffled as you are, until I law the location it happened.
Well, could you link it? What about the location makes it obvious that they didn't plate unmovable concrete barriers?
The article just says there were no barriers placed. There were no pictures but it mentions Snow Creek Lake in North carolina as the location if you want to map it on google.
I don't get any results for Snow Creek Lake NC. There's a Snow Creek township but it doesn't have any lakes I can see
Ok the first paragraph says
other sources lead me to it https://maps.app.goo.gl/zJNzNtordE6YrbJn8
Unless they fixed the bridge since this incident it still says you can use this road....
It says the road is closed now.
no
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zJNzNtordE6YrbJn8
photo from Sky News
Wow, looking through the 10 year old street view images I couldn’t even see the bridge at first, it’s not very large, the type you likely drive over every day without even thinking of it as a bridge. That’s a disaster waiting to happen, looks like any street. At speed it could be bad during the day, nobody expects to be driving along and suddenly the road is gone. At night impossible. I’m surprised this is the first time it’s happened, if it hasn’t happened before.
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/local/catawba-county-nc-bridge-to-nowhere-death-lawsuit/275-417257fe-2437-4241-8fd6-1e036771ae85
The OP already linked an article which tells you
The article doesn’t have pictures or mention why there were no barriers, which I think this person is asking.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, my bad. Think I need another coffee!
I have read because it was a private road, they are legally not allowed to place an unmovable object
That doesn't make sense. If it's a private road, wouldn't that mean you can place whatever you want on it? It's your road.
The developer never turned over the road to the North Carolina DOT after completion of the subdivision.
Just depends on the “they”. Local government wouldn’t touch it, the owners could have. I’d say it’s a slam dunk case against the owners for exactly that reason. Google ignored numerous reports so they may get some blame too.
I imagine Google maps gets it's data mostly from municipal and regional open data sources which often have downloadable road information.
If that's the case no one in the city's GIS department ever disconnected the road to show it was no longer connected, as they may never have been notified since people likely don't ever think to notify the GIS guys of unplanned changes to road systems.
I wonder if a HOA owns the land
This is what I was thinking, suing Google sounds like a cash grab as there's government agencies and possibly private land owners responsible for putting up barriers and signs warning the bridge is out. Google maps is useful, but you still have to use some sense rather than blindly following it, heck, I've run into cases where it can't figure out how to get to a street (that actually happened yesterday).
Directing people onto a road that has had a collapsed bridge for a decade, despite numerous reports that the bridge is collapsed, does not leave them blameless.
Why, why are they under any obligation to be accurate? I"ve used them since you had to print out the directions, they've told me to make illegal turns, go the wrong way down one way streets, use a road with a bridge out, use roads that don't exist and more, and while annoying, I just rolled with it, because they never promised me anything more than that the directions were prolly accurate.
I am with you 100%. Expecting Google to be responsible for road maintenance is a frivolous. Google will sue them for legal costs.
Absolutely not. Google played a part in causing this death, it might have been a minor part, but it was a party in the death. The court will decide how much.
This isn't a frivolous claim, this is Google not being able to maintain their maps safely. Google needs to put more resources into map maintenance, and respond when people submit safety issues with their mapping data.