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[-] Mateoto@lemmy.world 111 points 1 year ago

It's perplexing how a nation that once liberated the world from fascism is now becoming fascist and triggering fascist movements worldwide.

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

Note that prior to getting involved in the war, there was substantial support for the Nazis among Americans. It's always been there. It just got swept under the carpet for a few decades, though if you go back and look at the politics of the fifties, you'll see mcarthyism and all sort of court cases on indecency and lots and lots of violence against homosexuals.

I don't think I spelled mcarthyism correctly. It's early and I'm not inclined to bother spell checking.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It should also be noted that Adolf Hitler based some of his ideology off of the proto-fascism of pre-Civil War America (and the deep racial inequalities which persisted afterwards), and praised it his book Mein Kamph.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm absolutely not perplexed by American fascism in the slightest.

[-] HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we can also show we didn't do what people think what we did when we look at things on a time line.

WW2 ended in 1945.

Emmett Till was murdered in 55. 10 years later. Ruby Bridges went to what was an all white school in 1960. That was 15 years later. The Civil Rights Act happened in 1964. 19 years later. The MOVE Bombing happened in 85. 40 years later.

The Stonewall Riots happened in 69. 24 years later. The UpStairs Lounge Arson attack happened in 73. Which was 28 years later. Harvey Milk was assassinated in 78. 33 years later. The Shelby bookstore murders happened in 87. So 42 years after.

We can sit here and list different events all day that happened after the war. We were the good guys off fighting evil, and those soldiers would totally hate the bigotry we see today... Except there's a good chance that tbe vast majority of them weren't any better. Even the black soldiers still weren't allowed to fight with the white ones. We were fighting fascism over there while it was still happening over here.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

McCarthyism, close enough lol

[-] Balinares@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago

Stopping fascism wasn't the point. After liberating the camps, they even threw the homosexuals right back in. (Source)

They were just worried that the USSR was going to beat them to Berlin, and then keep going across the entirety of Europe. Likely a valid concern, to be fair.

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

a nation that once liberated the world from fascism

It's gross how USAins keep parroting this nationalistic bullshit about their role in ww2.

You guys didn't liberate anything by showing up late for the war, and you tried your damnedest to spread your abhorrent racism in every country you landed in.

[-] invno1@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, nah. You had it right up until we didnt help liberate anything. France seemed pretty appreciative of our help then and now. Not arguing the "abhorrent racism" par it is true and we're continually working on it. Generational issues don't get solved overnight.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

As a person of Dutch descent who is alive today because US GIs liberated a concentration camp right before my grandmother starved to death, this is extremely offensive, and you can go fuck yourself with your puerile contrarianism.

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shutting down a few concentration camps is not 'liberating the world from fascism'.

My grandparents and their families were in the camps too, and most didn't come out alive. I'm not detracting from the atrocities of ww2 by telling the American to stop spouting propaganda.

[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

While a romantic prose, I wouldn't go saying they liberated the world of anything like that until it was almost too late.

But when they finally did fight, fuck yeah, they fought.

[-] WuTang@lemmy.ninja -3 points 1 year ago

It’s perplexing how people once liberated from nazism act like nazi and get litterally a wild card.

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Wtf are you talking about

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