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I've spent most of my life supporting 3rd parties, but with someone like trump trying to destroy democracy and our freedom, I have no choice but to vote for the person best equipped to stop him. If there was a more tolerable republican, I'd consider going back to supporting the end of the 2 party system
Supporting third party candidates at the federal level doesn't mean ending the two-party system... it means you value pride over pragmatism. This has been a problem since long before Trump ever came within a stones throw of the white house.
I value what having more than two parties would bring us... but its delusional to think they can be anything but a spoiler for presidential races, until we do something much further down the chain.
Plurality voting only really works well in two candidate elections. In three candidate elections, you start to frequently run into problems with spoilers.
'Social utility efficiency' is a mathematical measure of how happy people are with the results of stimulated elections. Plurality scales far worse than any other reasonable method.
Because of that, the best performing third parties in countries that use plurality are regional ones. You'll have local elections where one of the national major parties is functionally a third party.
Trying to oppose the two party system by just voting third party is about as effective as trying to end car dependency by just biking down major stroads. Without changing the underlying environment (e.g. switching to a better voting system or building a protected bike lane), most people won't follow you.
"Vote for us! You have no choice!" Is a shitty message.
I have always felt that way, but we're so close to the tipping point of our democracy coming irreversibly unraveled that pragmatism is the only rational course for someone that believes in democracy. We should all be single-issue voters if the issue is democracy vs fascism.
If the party would quit taking advantage of us having no choice, the argument that we have no choice would sound a lot less like gloating.