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Ah yes, because the authors could have foreseen personal arsenals, rampant use of guns in crimes, etc. Bullshit argument, that.
It applied to the arms that existed at the time. Funny how 2A’ers are simultaneously originalists (they meant guns for everyone!) and then shun the framework in which the original 2A was written - single fire rifles for protection on the frontier, protecting a growing nation without a large standing military, and to put food on the table.
The Second Amendment is a legal document. The only legal way to change it's meaning (that the right of the people to keep arms shall not be infringed) is to amend it to limit the definition of "arms". As written, the Second Amendment covers all weapons, and at the time of its ratification that included modern naval warships and artillery pieces.
When you can’t win the framing of the argument, go for technically correct. IOW, I do care what they thought, it says I get to have a fuckton of guns and a battleship. Must be disappointing to not be able to own a personal and navy for some.
You’re not gonna bend me. The 2A has been bastardized and fucked over as a political football and twisted to allow people to have personal arsenals. Guns were a tool. Fuckers have turned them into statements and fashion accessories.
As long as the government has them, I need them. Disarm the government and I'll be marginally more open to compromise.
I’m not opposed to owning firearms at all. Disarm the government? Guess you want anarchy, and/or mob justice.
The truly fucked up thing is gun owners are so obsessed with firearms they let everything else slip away. Once they’ve taken everything else they can, they’ll come for the guns too. You’ll finally be right, but you’ll be dead. Fat lot of good that’ll do. Damn fool idea to be so myopic that guns are gonna defeat the government - and for that matter, what a shit world it’s gonna be if people are ever actually put in a position where they have to do so. They just skip to the end where they win in the imaginary battle. But what did they win? The right to be an ostracized and impoverished pocket surrounded by an enemy. Yay?
“Against the government” has to be one of the worst arguments ever.
I wonder if you're aware the extent to which this is deliciously ironic.
It’s not ironic when they’re doing just that. Just keep elevating authoritarians and see what you get.
Once more with the delicious irony.
I'm interested in your thoughts on how I've elevated authoritarians; you seem to know quite a bit about who I've voted for... or to be talking out your ass once more.
Generally if you support firearm ownership without stating nuance or conditions, it’s a high likelihood where you stand politically supports authoritarians, either willfully or via inaction.
Ah, I see - criticism and correction of your misunderstandings is supporting firearm ownership without nuance - a thing of freedoms and rights; therefore I'm an authoritarian.
With leaps like that, you could do gymnastics.
Huh. You make up “alternate facts” to suit your argument. You’re one of ‘em all right.
Freedom…your freedom to make the rest of the country suffer your hobby.
Interestingly enough, only one of us has referenced relevant materials on the matter - you wouldn't be projecting regarding your bullshit, would you?
Certainly not.
You may have had some ground to stand on there if you'd actually meaningfully engaged in the discussion and made an argument, perhaps provided actual criticism of addressed that made, but all you've managed to do is provide childish no, u!, insult, and deflection.
Fortunately, my hobby involves no harm to others and involves no items with agency or agenda of their own; it's quite impossible for my hobbies to be the cause of anyone's suffering.
I would say the county suffers from quite the violence epidemic, though, and unlike you, I actually argue for addressing it rather than taking offense a specific tool is used to the neglect of the actual suffering.
No, it’s not really interesting. Speaking with 2A militants is a waste of time. I’ve quoted statistics, scientific studies, framed 2A in founder’s terms (that’s actually a reference you’ve ignored completely), pointed out their lack of responsibility, and mulish obstinacy when it comes to firearms. Know how it ends? “ It’s a right…” so let’s skip to the end, finish with your snark and smugness, and walk away. You don’t give a fuck about it as long as you can buy your gun.
Only because you're so unbelievably entrenched in your opinion about the validity of a thing you seek to support it using whatever you can muster and, when that fails, you fall back on hyperbole, emotional appeal, defeatism, and insult rather than consider that you may be putting your conclusion before any support.
I seem to have missed those - were they in the form of hyperbolic bullshit? You have provided quite a bit of that.
ETA: Feel free to highlight where you've done so.
I see you're working on your projection.
I'd argue I care about the issues at hand far more given my arguments for actually addressing those issues rather than taking offense a specific tool is used to the neglect of the actual suffering.
But hey, don't let that get in the way of your narrative. You seem to be concocting quite the substitute for reality.
That is generally the case when one is operating on sheer, blind faith rather than an understanding of the subject.
lol, I grew up with firearms, and still own some. Your declaration of my understanding doesn’t make it so. Blind faith? I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at. Save your thoughts and prayers for the next person.
You do understand the as an [X]/hello fellow kids is pretty transparent, right?
It is, rather, your showing your lack of understanding in various comments that shows it is so.
Yes, you do. While I enjoy the implied conservative lean - I always enjoy when a rando demonstrates the extent to which they're partisan biased and irrational - you miss in your assumption.
I'd argue I care more about this problem than those of you do cannot help but make bland insults when faced with disagreement and who cannot manage to actually try identifying and solving problems amidst their rants and hyperbole.
Keep repeating yourself. Doesn’t make it make any more sense the second time around. You don’t speak for my motives or understanding.
Unfortunately, your other statements speak to it quite effectively.
Lol, I love empty vaguebook answers.
That would explain why they're all you provide.