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Why do people even live in the US?
You write that as if moving to a new country is just that easy.
If you're in Europe and have never visited, you might be surprised at just how huge the US is. That, plus having only two adjacent countries, makes leaving very difficult.
Oh yeah, plus you have to get into another country, most of which aren't super welcoming to immigrants, either.
Their instance implies they're Australian which is similar in size to the US, and also further away from most other countries.
You are right that it's difficult for many people to move country though.
You can leave to any country that's not adjacent to the US. I'm really not getting what point you're trying to make with that statement?
The rest is still valid, but this part is a bit of a moot point. Most countries are welcoming of sufficiently skilled immigrants as well - though the US education system with its ridiculous pricing might be a deterrent here.
Practically no one making minimum wage is "sufficiently skilled" lol what a load of ridiculous privilege rofl
"Just move to Europe" is like "just get a loan from your parents" level of out of touch
"Let them eat cake"
Where exactly did I say Europe? Plenty of well paying jobs elsewhere. Lived in both Africa and Asia (still there, actually) for 2 decades and the money you can make there beats Europe by a wide margin. Educational requirements are low to nonexistent, depending on the region.
And you managed to get even MORE out of touch.
You can earn more money in Africa as an unskilled laborer than Europe? What a ridiculous statement.
Minimum wage =/= unskilled. Plenty of educated people struggle to find employment and might be better off elsewhere.
No, but minimum wage ≈ unskilled
Very few skills are sufficient to make up for being disabled
Which sucks, agree. Though I thought this thread was about regularly abled people, or did I miss something?
You have to have a bachelors degree to even be considered for citizenship in many countries. South Korea for example
Why bother with citizenship? Work permit is all that's needed.
because am born in the u.s.
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Difficult to escape.
It's a pretty nice country, it's got a little bit of everything. It has flaws, and as Americans we complain about them and try to get them fixed to constantly improve it.
I think a lot of the images of America being so bad comes from our overwhelming volume online.
I really like the choice of "more perfect union" in the preamble because it does really reinforce that we will always have flaws. To me, it reminds us of our flaws, not to deride us but so that we might seek to improve upon them and never rest on our own laurels.
Criticizing your country because you wish for it to improve is amung the most patriotic things a person can do.
The immigration system is kinda broken that some people had to emigrate to Canada instead.
Canada thought you were shit long before the internet
It’s a big reason for our historical loyalty to the crown
as if nationalism for the crown & the city is something to be proud of... how embarrassing
Proud of?
I was saying it exists just because it is believed to make us less American
As an American I have a positive image of Canada, they're the closest thing we have to a sibling in my mind. And if the providences ever wanted state hood I'd support them joining, but I'm sure a lot of Canadians would take exception to that.
Our state is Canada, if we were to join then it would be one state
Just like how your states joined, the German states joined together to form Germany, and the European states joined the EU
Also most of the loyalists in the colonies fled to Canada during and immediately after the American Revolution, for obvious reasons.
They don't make it easy to get out.
Two people decided to fuck in 1991.
Wasn’t my idea.
Stuck.. who would want us? Every country I'd like to live in would require me to be very rich or have a usable skill set. While I have the latter it also needs to be provable which is difficult.
I should have bolted when I was younger but i just didn't have the knowledge.
Also remember the student loan crisis in the US, so going to a college, university, or trade school is simply not a viable option for many of the most vulnerable and neediest of folks in the US, especially when they are already working during HS to help support their family.
The working classes in the USA really do have the deck actively stacked against them, and something needs to change or we as a nation are completely fucked.
I think it's far worse than you make it sound. When I entered the workforce (while also paying to go to a trade school that was a scam) min wage was $6. While I was able to rise through the ranks pretty fast it was a long time of scraping by just to eat and pay bills so i could keep working.
Nearly 30 years later federal minimum wage is $1.25 more than were i started. Adjusted for inflation that's impossible to live on, I didn't have it easy by any means but at least I could survive. I'd never have had a chance with things as they are now. I feel bad for the youth of this country that don't happen to have the right hookups and connections or, sometimes, luck.
It's where I keep the bodies
Well obviously it's very difficult for the poor to leave and if you aren't poor it's actually a pretty nice place to live.
Which country bro?
I can save enough to leave!