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Canadian parliament mistakenly recognized and celebrated a person who faught for the nazis who was Ukrainian as a veteran of ww2, along with the prime-minister of Ukraine. It was a mistake made by the organizer, with no real evidence it was purposeful. The actions has since been denounced. Terrible thing to have happened, it's a fucked situation, but people are attempting to make it sound like direct support of nazism. Which it was not
Also, unlike what the meme suggests, this happened exactly once
Actually it's not the first time. At the time the minister of foreign affairs and deputy prime minister, Chrystia Freeland, vehemently defended her grandfather who was an editor for a Nazi newspaper in Ukraine.
Oh shit, so the country of canada has done it once before denouncing it and a single member of parliament has a history of defending her grandfather, who was not only a nazi but an author for a propaganda newspaper stolen from a Jewish guy.
I stand by the "only happened once" thing though. Your second argument is a singular member, who should of course be removed along with the speaker. It also has nothing to do with the current government of Ukraine.
The first is an embarrassment to canada and an action for which we as a whole and our legislator are partially responcible. The second is just one person, who is scum.
Glad you brought this to my attention though. Nationalism in all forms is a disgrace.
Indo wish you had given me a link to that quote though. In the future, if you quote something, provide the source. It seems like you're hiding something when you don't, which it seems you weren't
That one person who is scum happens to have been the foreign affair minister, is still the deputy prime minister, and highly involved in the conflict, so yeah kind of important. On top of having a degree in Slavic & Russian history... she 100% knows better.
The quote is from Freeland's wikipedia, you can find it easily. It's not some obscure shit. It was also reported in the Globe & Mail, as aforementioned, and was a pretty big affair in Canada at the time. But you knew all that, you're just being purposely disengenious.
Alright now I see you're entirely disinterested in a conversation. sure bud, we all knew all along, it's all one massive conspiracy and we're being paid by [them] to say it. Fuck dude, this shit's childish. Though I'd still disagree with your conclusion there's the possibility I could be wrong, and would have found out through conversation. I've been nothing but respectful but here you come in and call me "purposely disengenious" (sic) for recognizing the facts but still disagreeing. Ok then, I guess we're playing assumptions and killing honest, good faith discussion.
To other people with a different perspective, please feel free to DM me I'd love to talk about this and perhaps I'm wrong about my convictions. If you're willing to discuss this in good faith, not claim I'm a bad actor when I ask for a citation, and have an honest discussion I'm willing to do the same as I did here beforehand. Lastly, wikipedia is not a source. Find their source, read that, research the source, and come to a conclusion. Don't blindly trust.
Yeah, your shit is childish.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/562864/canada-nazi-ss-galachina-peter-savaryn-yaroslav-hunka-mary-simon/
And the Globe & Mail is a fucking source you dimwit. Do you even live in Canada? The Freeland affair was all over the news here, it's common knowledge. This isnt some deep shit.