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Israel's Defence Minister Yaov Gallant has ordered the complete closure of the Gaza Strip, including a ban on the entry of food, water, fuel or access to electricity as Israel intensifies its bombardment of the besieged Strip in the wake of the surprise attack by the Palestinian resistance. His comments have drawn criticism for advocating collective punishment of Gaza's entire civilian Palestinian population in breach of international law.


Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant ordered an increase in intensity of airstrikes in the Gaza Strip.

Gallant said that the war Israel is fighting against Hamas is “a war for our future.”

He added: “Exacting a heavy price from the enemy is a necessary condition for our existence in the region.”

Gallant makes the comments during a visit to the Israeli Air Force’s underground command centre at the Israeli occupation forces headquarters in Tel Aviv.

link: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israeli-minister-we-are-fighting-human-animals/

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[-] yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network 22 points 2 years ago

Reminder that everyone in this conflict besides Civilians are bad people. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Israeli government support the genocide of the Palestinian people. Everyone else are just planning to profit from this.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Every group that fights an occupying force gets labeled a terrorist organization.

[-] catfish@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

When Argentina occupied the Falkland Islands, the UK military who fought them weren't described as a terrorist organisation. Not by anyone with an ounce of sense at least, and certainly not by the islanders who's land and homes had been occupied.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Every indigenous group that fights an occupying force gets labeled a terrorist organization.

[-] catfish@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Well done, that's less false than your initial comment.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Thanks for testing my thesis.

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Hmm, I wonder what the difference might be...

us-foreign-policy

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

How is the UK not the occupying force there? The Falkland Islands are nowhere fucking near us.

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The people fighting against a genocidal state are 'bad people'? 'Terrorists', even?

What exactly is wrong about fighting back against one's own genocide? Should they be peacefully protesting it instead?

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

Oh stop it! There's a literal genocide going on and you feel the need to start handing out these "both sides bad!" "Reminders".

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 years ago

Israel: we literally don't consider the people of Gaza to be humans

You: sheesh, I really I can't tell the difference between these two!

[-] agarorn@feddit.de -4 points 2 years ago

*Israel Minister.

And Hamas also thinks jews are no humans, so yes, there is no difference.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Israel Minister

So... A representative of the Israeli state? The state founded on Zionism? That's not a correction. That is Israel.

Hamas also thinks jews are no humans

Source? Hamas has a history with anti Semitic conspiracy theories and generalizations, but not to the extent of saying Jews aren't human.

Not to mention, even said anti semitism was dropped long ago, when Hamas underwent a radical shift in membership when Israel killed off other PLO groups.

[-] space_comrade@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Reminder that everyone in this conflict besides Civilians are bad people.

Shut the fuck up. Every Israeli "civilian" is complicit in the torture of Palestinians, except for children. Not to mention they're all potential combatants anyway.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

There is literally no difference between oppressor and oppressed, you imbecile you, absolute moron.

[-] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

The rebels in star wars are terrorists because they killed civilians living in the death star. They're just as bad as the empire.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

What definition of "terrorist organization" are we using here?

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Any of the popular definitions. If they're simply organizations against the government, they're terrorists as Israel basically claims Palestinian land is their own. If they're organizations that use terror, brutality, and fear against citizens to achieve political ends, they're definitely terrorists, and so are the IDF.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago

Every single liberation group was considered a terrorist organization. Fuck, even Antifa gets called that and they're not even an organization.

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I've always wanted to find sources of the monarchy calling American revolutionaries terrorists. Maybe that language wasn't prevalent then.

[-] KevinDeRodeTovenaar@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago

What do you think about hamas killing innocent people, children?

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which children? Did Hamas target children like Israel does, or were they unfortunately caught in cross fire while they were fighting against their genociders?

[-] KevinDeRodeTovenaar@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They targeted any Israeli civilians, not just settlers, just anyone going door to door killing families.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Please show me evidence where Hamas targeted civilians minding their own business, and weren't just caught in crossfire. I doubt it.

[-] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

The massacre at a music festival early on would suggest Hamas isn't just a group of freedom fighters.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Hamas did not massacre a music festival or even target it. The idiots held a dance rave at the border of a concentration camp and a war zone, and they ended up caught in cross fire. Grab any half sane person on the street and they'll tell you this is a bad idea.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -4 points 2 years ago

Hamas believe that Jews are literally the enemies of Allah and that it is a holy war to kill them.

[-] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Incorrect. Hamas, in accordance with the Quran, believes it is possible for Muslims, Jews, and Christians to live in harmony. Furthermore, in their updated charter they explicitly reject targeting Jews for simply being Jewish:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I'd be a little mad at them too if I were in their situation.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

I do agree that conservative Islam is partially to blame for the violence and terror but so is conservative Judaism. The conservative jews think it's their God given right to take the homes of the Palestinians and rule over them. Religion is fueling the fire on both sides.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

There are non-combatants in this conflict that are bad people. They cheer on the extermination of others. Sometimes that's Hamas or the PLO (they run a fund that gives stipends to families of terrorists). Other times it's certain Israeli Jews who encourage conflict while not risking their own necks because they can claim a religious exemption from military service. They seek an Israel without Palestinian territories, or for that matter Palestinians at all (aka ethnic cleansing).

I'm not saying that non-combatants should be targeted. At the same time, I am saying that just being a civilian does not mean someone lacks blame.

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