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[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I think they are high on their own propaganda more than anything. Ukraine is going great for them. Have you seen the quotes from Lindsey Graham?

"This is the best investment for American security ever; Ukraine is a fantastic partner — we have not seen such a partner since Churchill,"

“We haven’t lost one soldier in the Ukraine war, spent less than 5 percent of our military budget. Fifty percent of the Russian army has been destroyed by the Ukrainians, so they would be at Crimea already if the administration hadn’t been so slow and given weapons,”

and since I saw this article while finding these quotes: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lindsey-graham-criticizes-israel-for-refusing-to-sell-weapons-to-ukraine/

Lindsey Graham criticizes Israel for refusing to sell weapons to Ukraine

So they just want to expand US influence and direct dollars to USA MIC. Proxy wars do that extremely well in the opinion of these folks. The US political establishment is entirely pro-proxy wars. Realist US military leadership doesn't seem to have as much influence on these things. The policy advisors around Biden today were big supporters of the Iraq Surge as just one example of how deluded these folks are.

[-] paperclip4465@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I don’t think people like Lindsey graham are actually making decisions. He says these things and he may actually believe them too but the people actually scheming and planning are more aware of reality. I think the intelligence agencies are more informed than they let on and that intelligence doesn’t always go to congress.

I think the military command knows the situation with Ukraine as does the cia, nsa, and all the rest. I don’t think they would arrive at the conclusion that Americans are willing to sacrifice isreal to weaken Iran or whoever like they are for Ukraine.

My understanding of the proxy wars is it is not about money for the mic, they already have all the money, it’s more about keeping the rest of the world at conflict so our productionless economy can compete and the dollar remain relevant.

Saudi Arabia and Iran entering into economic partnership is bad news and weve been trying to deepen isreal/sa relationship https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/us/politics/saudi-arabia-israel-palestinians-hamas.html.

I think this is less likely to happen now that Iran is supporting Hamas and Saudi Arabia is not inclined break that agreement with Iran and China for the sake of America. It would have been better if this hadn’t happened until after the isreal-Saudi Arabia agreements could be made which would put SA and Iran in conflict again.

It just points to good timing for Hamas.