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Israel has been directly or indirectly via right-wing settlers escalating tensions for the last 6 months or so. It's very similar to the escalation of the Donbas conflict by Ukr forces before the SMO was launched. If you haven't seen the maps of ceasefire violations by Ukr forces on the Donbas front lines in those days, I recommend looking into it. I definitely think US/NATO/etc are stretched much thinner than they will admit, but the strategy is all about proxy wars, so that doesn't seem to be an important factor in their calculations. The Zionist neocons are basically running the show, so I'd imagine their geo-political assessments are not exactly based in reality. If they can ignite an Israel proxy war with Iran, they would be extremely pleased with themselves.
I think I give the powers that be a bit more credit than that. If you can tell this strategy is not based in reality, they probably understand that too to some extent. Why start another proxy war when you are barely keeping up in the first one. Why not do this in 2018 instead of that nonviolent march when america still had troops in Afghanistan?
I think this is not good timing for the west so I’m more inclined to attribute it to Hamas and Hezbola.
I could be wrong though. Perhaps they understand things so well and are so cynical that they are trying to drum up support more war time manufacturing and Americans like isreal more than Ukraine.
I guess time will tell how it ends up unfolding.
I think they are high on their own propaganda more than anything. Ukraine is going great for them. Have you seen the quotes from Lindsey Graham?
and since I saw this article while finding these quotes: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lindsey-graham-criticizes-israel-for-refusing-to-sell-weapons-to-ukraine/
So they just want to expand US influence and direct dollars to USA MIC. Proxy wars do that extremely well in the opinion of these folks. The US political establishment is entirely pro-proxy wars. Realist US military leadership doesn't seem to have as much influence on these things. The policy advisors around Biden today were big supporters of the Iraq Surge as just one example of how deluded these folks are.
I don’t think people like Lindsey graham are actually making decisions. He says these things and he may actually believe them too but the people actually scheming and planning are more aware of reality. I think the intelligence agencies are more informed than they let on and that intelligence doesn’t always go to congress.
I think the military command knows the situation with Ukraine as does the cia, nsa, and all the rest. I don’t think they would arrive at the conclusion that Americans are willing to sacrifice isreal to weaken Iran or whoever like they are for Ukraine.
My understanding of the proxy wars is it is not about money for the mic, they already have all the money, it’s more about keeping the rest of the world at conflict so our productionless economy can compete and the dollar remain relevant.
Saudi Arabia and Iran entering into economic partnership is bad news and weve been trying to deepen isreal/sa relationship https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/08/us/politics/saudi-arabia-israel-palestinians-hamas.html.
I think this is less likely to happen now that Iran is supporting Hamas and Saudi Arabia is not inclined break that agreement with Iran and China for the sake of America. It would have been better if this hadn’t happened until after the isreal-Saudi Arabia agreements could be made which would put SA and Iran in conflict again.
It just points to good timing for Hamas.