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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

Russia hasn't really been doing that though? They've been selectively striking infrastructure, causing some blackouts, but it never got to the point of completely depriving Ukraine of basic necessities.

It seems much more likely to me that they struck those targets to disrupt military activity.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

Yea, Russia has still been fulfilling previously made gas contracts too

For a capitalist state and wannabe NATO member they're so light and gracious during war it's kinda insane

But I guess it's better for them that Ukraine doesn't become a wasteland too

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

It's been kind of a wakeup for me that the generally held, idk, capitalist? American? Western? View taht everyone else thinks like we do, but worse, is actually bullshit. The US's war policy has always been to inflict maximum devastation and suffering on day one; Blow up the power, blow up the water, blow up the infrastructure, make sure as many people suffer. And the Russians must be worse than us, right? Well, apparently fucking not, egg on my face. Same thing with Hamas, apparently, actually giving a shit about the laws of war and not just being cartoonishly evil like the US and Israel and really NATO generally. Like the west doesn't give a shit about the laws of war, so no one else would, right? Nope, I was just a chauvinistic idiot, it turns out that armies that aren't US/NATO proxies sometimes actually do have standards of conduct.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

Real superstructure theory shit going on here

Russia isn't imperialist so I guess that bubbles up to their military actions compared to the imperial core where from Canada to Japan to Australia it's all filled with fucking psychopaths

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I really wonder about it. Like I'd assume, with Ukraine and Russia not really having had a hard border for centuries, with tons of ethnic Russians and Ukrainians living on both sides of the border, with cross border families and businesses and all kinds of shit, that if you're not a Banderite fascist psychopath huffing made up nationalist bullshit what the Rada started doing in 2014 probably seems like insane bullshit. It's like your cousins suddenly declaring that you've been mortal enemies since the time of the boyars and you're just like jesse-wtf. So I can believe Moscow was thinking something like "Look we don't want this situation but maybe if we can pull off a decapitation strike, get rid of the Rada, maybe normal people don't buy in to this bullshit and we can calm things down? And when that doesn't work and the thrust towards Kiev fails they're thinking "Okay no way Ukranians are going to want to fight to the death over this stupid shit, so we should try to keep things intact and not wreck the place because surely they'll decide they don't actually want this fight and will give up after a while, and then we won't have destroyed the whole country and we'll be able to get things back to normal. And then eventually it became clear to the leadership that no, the Banderites really were calling the shots and running the show now, and with NATO backing they really were going to fight to the last Ukrainian, and so the approach to the war had to change.

Like that sounds insane to me, as an America, because our war doctrine is to cause as much suffering as possible for the glory of Satan and so it's easier to steal literally everything of value from the victim nation, so the only explanation I can come up with is maybe Russia is like "This is dumb as shit these people are our cousins we don't want to destroy them."

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