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IDF lies all the time. This could be real. But you'd be a fool to just believe them.
So you're living in the reality where you assume everything the IDF says is false until and including when Hamas releases video confirming it. Hamas shows video of how it victimized civilians, but makes a statement saying it didn't, and your approach to epistemology is still "well, the IDF said it was true, so it's probably false, I'll wait until I've seen more conclusive evidence."
Kbin is exhausting. Fuck, I might have to go back to reddit...
I simply don't take the word of any major government/ intelligence agency at face value. Here in reality we just call it reality. Because there's not more than one reality.
There's been no reliable corroboration of all these claims. In fact there's been a good number of them debunked. Remember that. And stop letting yourself get wound up by propaganda. You will be fine. Having been where you are right now though. I would say take a break from things for the night or for a day. These things when you're emotional have a way of starting a toxic spiral. It's never good and the only way to escape it is to step away.
Quick edit to add I went back and refresh and read up on some more of the thread. Yeah you need to take some time and focus on yourself man. Mia Khalifa wasn't celebrating it. I actually read what she said. it's a shame what happened/ is happening to her. But what she said was fairly benign. But you aren't dealing with all the information here. And that's never a good place to be emotionally.
The IDF isn't putting out photos that are going to cause terror. Wow, big shocker.
Many of the Israeli claims are, conveniently, corroborated by videos Hamas posted, but they still love to turn around and say none of it ever happened.
Israeli civilians crying for the return of their loved ones are not propagandists.
If you don't believe anything anybody says, talking about it seems kind of pointless.
Man keep reading, she was giddy.
Why should they. When they have people like yourself ready to go on adnauseam without proof.
No one here is saying the attack wasn't deplorable. And that what Hamas did what was right or justified. You're still misrepresenting Khalifa too. I don't agree with what she said. But the fact remains the very first thing you said basically gave away the game. You really have no confirmation of anything you're claiming for the most part, and are running on Raw emotion. Reply if you want. I probably won't read it. I'm sure you're getting enough hate and aggression spewed back your way in return at all the hate and aggression your spewing. This is a very tragic situation.
Honestly if there were some way, I would like to see all of Hamas and netanyahu's goons rounded up. Preferably locked down somewhere together. Maybe someone could go back in a week to see who's left. And take care of that. But at least the public would be safe. Israel has terrorized Palestinians disproportionately for decades. Violence doesn't really justify violence however. It only continues it. Israel is the one with the power to bring about change. But this is what they do. Lie commit war crimes and basically genocide. Yeah Hamas is in great either. The hardcore want to see Israel wiped from the map. But they aren't Palestine. Plenty of Palestinians just want to be able to live a life and not have to be constantly afraid of Israeli brutality. Israelis just want to live their life too. But their government keeps them too terrified to think rationally. And they keep putting the problem in power. Exacerbating the situations that lead to the terror that's been getting them killed. It's Israel's problem to solve. Hopefully with some of the recent polling going against Netanyahu. Perhaps they're ready to start ousting some of these far right radicals that have been heavily pushing this situation.