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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

So I was watching an interview that was given like one or two days ago in one of Argentina's most watched news channels, and the inverviewed person in question is an argentinian international journalist who was in Palestine when Hamas launched their assault. The interview started fine, she stated that she was evacuated by one of the KC-130 "Hercules" sent by the Air Force to retrieve people from Israel, she said that when the fighting began she was working in Ramallah, West Bank. So far so good, she praised both the Israeli and Palestinian embassies in Argentina for their help and the Air Force for taking people back for free in their transport planes. She then said how much a bureaucratic hell it was to get from Ramallah to the Ben Gurion Airport as all exits from Palestine are under Israeli military control (and Palestine has no airports), but when she said the word "occupation" all hell broke loose, it was funny to see the faces of the journalists change in real time as she said that magical word.

From that point onwards, she was continuously being attacked by the "journalists" interviewing her, saying that "this is normal because Israel is in a exceptional moment", that "there is no occupation", then kinda admitted there is occupation but "Hamas is responsible" (Even though she stated Hamas doesn't have a lot of presence in the West Bank as it does in Gaza), then they began to say she's an "anti-semite who refuses to condemn Hamas" (even though she did, numerous times) and that the blockade on Gaza, no matter how inhuman it is, is "thanks to Hamas dictatorship and other Arab countries that forced Israel to do it". And of course, the classic "Yeah, unfortunately there are civilian casualties but it's Hamas who hide among them". And despite all that, she kept their cool, but I must admit it's a shame she didn't take the opportunity to say "You are all defending the genocide of Palestinians by the Apartheid State of Israel".

This is the state of things in the West, don't you dare call out Israel for their massive wrongdoings in their war against the Palestinians as in the colonial relationship, they will always put all blame on the colonized subjects instead of the other way around. But the thing that pains me the most is that first they're doing clear genocide denial. They're of course completely against the idea of even thinking that what Israel is doing is genocide and ethnic cleansing, if you even point that out you are a Nazi (for some reason?). This is extremely concerning, I would expect this from media like CNN, because of course they will support genocide they're AmeriKKKan! But from argentinians? This is spicy, considering we had two genocides in about 100 years (The first in the late XIX century which saw the State advance through Patagonia killing the natives there) and the second in the 70s with the US-backed dictatorship which killed about 30,000 people. We went through great and painful lenghts to bring justice to the latter, just to see the media deny there's a genocide in Palestine right now. Zero self-awareness.

But also the fact that this nation was born out of anti-colonial struggle. Of course the history is more complicated than that as Argentina was not founded in 1810 as the Junta of Buenos Aires broke away from Spain, but indeed the proto-nation shattered the colonial relationship and after a period of internal struggles, it became independent (althrough it submitted immediately to british interests). Palestine is fighting their own anti-colonial struggle, but god forbid you develop some kind empathy for them as their history and your own have similarities. No, we must stand together with the genocidal oppressor that is the State of Israel, and if you don't you're a Nazi or something. This is what they want, they want to destroy whatever link you might develop with the Palestinians, you're not supposed to feel bad for them, you're not supposed to feel empathy for them, you're not like them, nothing unites you with them, they are, after all, lunatic islamic zealots who hate the west (They told the interviewed journalist that she would have been killed by Hamas if she dressed "like that"). Stop thinking about the suffering of the Palestinians, it is the Israeli who suffered for 15 minutes in their personal anti-rocket bunkers, it is the Israeli with whom you can relate to, as they're white like you, democratic and secular. It is Israel who's defending itself here, you don't feel bad for Palestinians because "they brought it upon themselves by choosing Hamas", they deserve it so shut the fuck up and ignore the never ending genocide.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"anti-semite who refuses to condemn Hamas" (even though she did,

No one should need to pay taxes for what was the inevitable against a genocidal aparthied occupier. Someone wanted to bring up the [topic] at work and they instictively went into "well you still think Hamas is a terror org right?"

Nope. Israel made it so there isn't a peaceful org in the West Bank and helped start Hamas. This is on Israel for helping create it, create the situations of aparthied, and conveniently used when Bibi neeeded to desperately wag the dog. Some were caught in a crossfire at the party, I'm sure some were shot by both. I just wish Hamas would attack the walls instead of wasting their rockets on flooding the Iron Dome.

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