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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Top story right now on CNN’s website is about how they have done a big “CNN Investigates” on the Gaza hospital. And of course, their in-depth, independent analysis shows that the explosion was due to a rocket from Gaza. Afaik their “in-depth analysis” just consists of talking to former US military officers and RAND Corp freaks.

I haven’t really been following this stuff all that closely, so I don’t know how to debunk what they’re saying but FYI western media is doubling down on it NOT being the Israelis after Al-Jazeera explained how it was them.

Edit: again, I’m not really good on all this OSINT stuff but it seems like their “analysis” is just regurgitating stuff we heard like 3 days ago. Smol crater, that doesn’t sound like a JDAM, etc. Early in the article they seem to say it was a rocket that blew up mid flight and the debris lit cars on fire (ok….). Then they talk about that scorch pattern or whatever that CLEARLY shows it came from the northeast. Except they say “well a rocket from the SW would have burned up the ground on approach, causing that pattern, or something falling wouldn’t have left anything like that”… completely contradicting their falling schrapnel theory.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Channel 4, in the UK, also has a video calling into question the general Western media narrative. If you are speaking to someone that has doubts over Al-Jazeera's claims because "uh muh Arab media", then it's a good Western source that's backed up by independant investigation by Western institutions as well. I'll provide a link when I get a chance, but it's also been posted here before.

Edit, adding link: https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can see several airstrikes hitting the immediate vicinity of the hospital before and after it was struck. You can see several smoke plumes rising in the neighborhood surrounding the hospital. Israel was quite clearly striking the area when the hospital was hit.

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Points at the list of all the other hospitals Israel has bombed

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

AP also claims it was a missile from Gaza

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I was thinking about this after my comment… US mainstream media sources will never go against the official narrative, ever, on anything. And I don’t think it’s necessarily some CIA in their head offices telling them they need to do it. I think it’s more like they don’t want to be seen challenging the official government story on anything because then a whole bunch of problems emerge. They will gets accused of being “political”. They become a target because everyone is going with the official line. Not to mention, look how much libs we see on Reddit and other places always buy the narrative because they want to. The people who work at the AP and CNN are no different.

I mean, mainstream news never questioned the “evidence” against Iraq. And even after we found no WMDs, it’s not like the news media really broadcast that fact. They probably spent more time giving voices to “experts” saying Saddam was still a threat or whatever and mostly buried news of their being no WMDs.

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