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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] CDommunist@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

Imagine how much worse the United States would be if it was a catholic country

[-] Florn@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago

The Catholics in my family are all way more normal than the Protestants tbh

[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

I've noticed the same thing in mine, my 80 something catholic immigrant grandparents are also somehow way less socially conservative than my WASP relatives.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago

It would be better in some ways and worse in others. Protestant nations are overall the most evil on earth though

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

You mean Catholic like normal catholic? Or the ones that hate the pope and are "traditional"?

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

one wonders if american catholics are insane because they aren't the majority, or because they are american 🤔

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure there are countries with catholic minorities and they are normal.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

well i think we have our answer then, catholic america would be worse

i must confess i don't fully understand the dynamics that make some national catholic churches more 'normal' and acceding to the vatican's lines, while others like the US' are very insurgent.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think that if the USA had been built on Catholic values, things would have been different. They would probably have had better relations with the natives and with Latin America. I do still think they would have been as racist as they were on our timeline, but maybe they would have adopted Blanqueamiento like Mexico and Brazil instead of racial segregation.

Another thing is that, without the US being a Protestant superpower, these churches would never have influenced the Global South as they do today, usually by promoting anti-LGBT laws in Africa and Latin America.

If the US were a Catholic country, it would essentially be less capitalist and selfish (both things that the Catholic Church usually hates), perhaps the American people would be more favorable to left-wing tendencies. As for politics, I think there would be at least one popular Socdem party instead of two Neoliberal parties.

i must confess i don't fully understand the dynamics that make some national catholic churches more 'normal' and acceding to the vatican's lines, while others like the US' are very insurgent.

I think that's because these people are generally of Italian, Irish and Latin American descent, having learned Catholicism from their parents or grandparents. And they're very proud of it, because it's something that connects them to their roots, family or something like that. When the Vatican changes something to be more liberal, they get angry because they have spent most of their lives following the rules they were taught by their relatives, only to see them changed to something else.

Or maybe Catholics in the US just want to compete with weird evangelicals over who is the worst bible-thumper in the world.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Blanqueamiento

i know Ferdinando and Isabella are called the catholic monarchs but latin american racial theory is pretty incidental to the specific conditions of iberia (expulsions of the moors and jews), and i think the population density of indigenous people played a role as well. the english worked out their racial theories in Ireland... but mostly on the basis they were catholic so this thought experiment is getting confusing. the French also didn't do race the english way, but i can't confidently say if that's catholicism or piggy-backing spain.

besides that, i think one of the important aspects in the development "of less capitalist and selfish (both things that the Catholic Church usually hates" character of modern catholic countries were the mass movements in these countries (and massive violence) against the institution, which forced it to be less reactionary. vatican 2 never would've happened without the mexican revolution or spanish civil war (or portuguese/spainsh liberal civil wars). which does give me a delightful image of yankees burning catholic churches in a non-racist way

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

It's cause they're American. A lot of them are culturally prots and have been fully infested with the Calvinist brainworms ideology

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Those guys aren't Catholics they're just protestants that drink.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

everybody has a right to his individual and harmless brainworms

[-] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Protestants are way worse, imo. I say this as someone raised atheist and recognizes the evils of the Catholic Church, but rank and file Catholics are way less judgemental.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Samsies. There's some pretty profound differences between Catholic evil and Protestant evil, and speaking extremely generally Catholic ideology doesn't demand they bake the earth to death for the glory of the market. Catholicism is evil but it's not "Threat to all life on earth" evil the way Prots and especially Christian Fascists are.

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