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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

so what do you guys think of mutually assured destruction? with how escalating things are i'm getting more and more convinced the US is just going to go for it against a nuclear power, but what if that doesn't mean an immediate ICBM exchange? what if everyone figures if nobody uses it first nobody will, and we actually just have WW3 (extra farce edition). and then at the end of that some bloodthirsty sore loser does the ICBMs, because of course they will

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Check out the Samson Option.

An old version of the Wikipedia page had this - emphasis mine.

The Samson Option is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation of world destruction with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and against most major world capitals, regardless of alliance.

What I emphasized has been stripped out of the page. I did find something that's still on the page. It's really good to know that if Israel goes down - it's killing 100,000,000s of people and bringing down modern civilization with it. Again - emphasis mine.

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence. Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.

Because everyone knows that the accepted solution when there's a mad dog running around is to just let it be to do whatever it's going to do.

Also ironic that the only legitimate reason (though still not usually the best idea) to leave a mad dog alone is that by the time its behavior is that obvious, the rabies is about to kill it anyway; the disease will do the work for you.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

if NATO had any sense they'd be couping these people yesterday what the fuck

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

biden-troll

Posadism is inevitable, Jack

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I also assume they have plans to nuke Mecca and Medina.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

It's insane to think if they have - say - 150 nuclear missiles - they'd use each and every last one. And they'd want to hit as many big cities in as many different regions as possible. From their perspective from Tokyo to São Paulo to Mexico City to Delhi.

[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hoping to god the CIA has contingencies for this like some spyware that could give them a backdoor to disable their nukes but honestly I think It’s more likely they just don’t care or refused to accept that this scenario could ever happen in the first place

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I can imagine one CIA chief taking to another in his office.

"For shits and giggles I read the Wikipedia page for the Samson Option. They could hit Rome."

"Oh, c'mon. They're not going to nuke Rome just because they can. Israel is civilized. They might turn the desert into glass in and around a bunch of Iranian cities. If they do - we'll just have to deal with it. We would eventually have to do that anyway."

"Couldn't that start a world war?"

"Nah. Israel will make a mess and we'll help clean it up. Change of topic. Did you see the ass on my new secretary. Huh?"

"You didn't."

"Right here on this desk I did. Enough gloom and doom already. It's after hours. Let's have some highballs."

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Don't read too much in to this. Unlike the DPRK Israel has never conducted a successful nuclear test.

[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

No doubt in my mind that the US would first strike.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

is that really a strategic consideration as much anymore? i know it was fairly serious in the cold war but the US seems to have an absolute (unearned) confidence that they can win on the ground, an illusion they couldn't maintain staring down the red army. i can see them pushing the envelope as much as they can conventionally, probably a 'subtle' shift from proxies to volunteers to open warfare under some euphemisms... when it doesn't go their way though all bets are off

[-] somename@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

The US has always been edging with a first strike. Every other power has dealt with nuclear weapons with a degree of care, but it's always been the US that's been pushing the envelope.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

so you view escalations with say, russia, as like the US looking for an excuse/justification to get the first strike they've always wanted? interesting analysis

[-] somename@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Well, I wouldn't say it's their strategic goal, nuclear war. But there have always been elements of the US government that believe that a nuclear war is winnable with "acceptable" causalities, and it's reflected in their foreign policy and escalations.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

yeah i'd bet some of the heads are looking at it that way while others might be approaching it from "how much can we get away with", but they're unanimous in the decisions to escalate so what's it matter

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah. There's some scary shit from back in the day about how the US never bothered to build civil nuclear defense shelters on a national scale because the cities were mostly considered expendable hives of untermenschen by the mad dog psychos in the strategic air command.

[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Only country in the world to have nuked another folks

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