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I don’t get the crazy musk hate. I mostly ignore him but I love that he created the market for electric cars.
Being an adult means you can look at situations in more complex terms than Elon bad.
I think he’s a man child. I dislike his attitude like the Wikipedia name change. That’s just douche material.
I love that he funded Tesla and now we have a viable electric car market.
This is like saying OJ Simpson invented Smuckers Uncrustables so he's not all bad...
Firstly, it's not true.
Secondly, even if it was true, it doesn't amount to enough to celebrate him.
Because putting peanut butter and jelly in a sandwich was already a thing that was popular. It just became worse for the environment and more expensive for consumers by individuall packaging them and requiring them to be frozen.
It is true. Tesla paved the way.
Who said celebrate him. I said I’m glad he did it.
I get you have a binary view of the world. As you mature you may outgrow that but the world is wildly complex.
We wouldn’t have modern electric cars without musk. It took someone willing to take the risk and the big 3 weren’t doing it.
Oh wow...
I mean I was going off of actual facts that you were wrong...
But "it is true" completely changed my mind, without Musk buying a company that already existed, we never would have gotten EVs!
Who had a large scale consumer product before Tesla?
Your claim he didn’t create the market. Who had the market before Tesla? Who else had large scale production before Tesla ?
Who has the largest market share?
Let’s see you prove your claim.
Tesla would have folded if Elon was not part of it. People only started to take notice after the success of Tesla.
No, you said Tesla created the market...
I said that was false, now your demanding I prove your wrong because you can't prove your opinion is facts.
That's not how this is supposed to work...
Yes, I am asking you to back up your claim. Who created the market if it wasn't Tesla? That isn't my opinion. That is well well-documented fact.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/061915/story-behind-teslas-success.asp
Tesla’s release positioned it as one of the few successful independent automakers and a pioneer in the electric car market.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-can-be-thanked-creating-a-growing-ev-market-2020-10
If you think the growing electric-car market would exist without Tesla, think again
You seem to be the only person who thinks otherwise.
Your first link doesn't even mention your claim...
Your second is an opinion piece that doesn't back up their claims... And I doubt the authors judgement because they said up to 2016 no one was betting on EVs, despite virtually all of the big companies being in the game at that point.
If you set out to prove some people believe it wouldn't happen without Tesla, congrats.
But I can find an article from someone who thinks the world is flat too, that doesn't mean the world is flat.
The first link addressed his claim pretty thoroughly. I suspect you commented that assuming most people would not read it to verify your claim. I have seen you spouting bullshit all throughout this comment section so I had to read it so that I can call you out. You're either lying or extremely bad at understanding the article. He provided links, you provided bullshit.
Here is the actual quote from the second article you take issue with: "But Elon Musk's company has shown that EVs are a viable way to build a business. As recently as 2016, the jury was still out on that matter." So you twisted shit so much you changed the meaning. That's either done in bad faith or you're extremely bad a reading comprehension.
So could you name any EVs that were available from the big companies in 2016?
I hate that I am here defending Tesla, but I hate the bullshit coming from you even more.
At least you finally admitted it, can you stop replying to every comment in this thread now? That'd be great, but I'm fine going back to ignoring you too.
Both articles back the claim.
You have yet to spout anything but your opinion, which goes against everyone else's opinion.
The big 3 were not taking EV cars seriously. They did enough to show they were doing it but their focus was ICE.
Tesla changed that. You are free to stomp your foot all you want but it doesn't change that Tesla drove the EV market forward. They dominate the EV market for that reason and have the highest percentage of people who would buy another Tesla EV.