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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.


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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

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https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

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https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

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[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~~There are claims emerging that the bulk of the civilian casualties were perpetrated by Isisrael shooting at the crowds running away with machinegun fire from repeated helicopter sweeps. This only emerged a few hours ago so will take time to verify and research. While Isnotreal is definetely not above even killing its own settlers for atrocity propaganda, the findings could be pretty damning.~~

Oh and would you look at that, in the time it took me to finish work and take the bus home, there really is evidence that Isisreal literally did in fact, fire on the concert participants with several sweeps of fucking 30mm autocannons from Apache helicopters, opting to shoot apart anything that moved, friend or foe. I had suspicions and heard claims of false flags since the afternoon of 7 October, but nothing that really constituted hard evidence, despite its plausibility. And the "pretty damning findings" turned out to be correct.

Of course not that it will matter to a regiment of 500,000 Andrev Breiviks, but another bit of evidence for a bit of justified fedposting.

Eliav Bellend also came to the realization that Pissreal's bombs can't reach anywhere remotely even close to South Africa, hence the racism factory on 428 King's Drive, Lynnwood/Pretoria working overtime.

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/17r8hjb/israel_admits_apache_helicopters_fired_on_their/

Links to two Israeli media articles in Hebrew, plus a translation of the key part of one of the articles into english

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Source: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt

Another source: https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-02cfdbceafc4b81027.htm Edit: Archive link: https://archive.li/GMdBE

Relevant: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

quotes in spoiler for less scrolling

Many of the civilian deaths came from Israeli Apache pilots not knowing who was Hamas & who were civilians so they just fired a huge amount of munitions at everyone fleeing the Nova festival:

Israel’s two Apache helicopter squadrons had 8 choppers in the air, “and there was almost no intelligence to help make fateful decisions,” Mako reported. The squadrons did not reach full strength until noon. As the wave of infiltrations from Gaza drove chaos on the ground, discombobulated Israeli pilots unleashed a frenzy of missile and machine gun salvos: “The Apache pilots testify that they fired a huge amount of munitions, emptied the ‘belly of the helicopter’ in minutes, flew to re-arm and returned to the air, again and again. But it didn’t help and they understand it,” Mako reported. The Apache helicopters appear to have focused on vehicles streaming back into Gaza from the Nova electronic music festival and nearby kibbutzes, attacked cars with apparent knowledge that Israeli captives could be inside. They also fired on unarmed people exiting cars or walking on foot through the fields on the periphery of Gaza. One Apache pilot reflected on the tortuous dilemma of whether to shoot at people and cars returning to Gaza. He knew that many of those vehicles may have contained Israeli captives. But he chose to open fire anyway. “I choose targets like that,” the pilot reflected, “where I tell myself that the chance that I am shooting here on hostages as well is low.” However, he admitted that his judgment “was not 100%.” “I understand that we have to shoot here and quickly,” the commander of the Apache unit, Lt. Col. E., told Mako in a separate report. “Shooting at people in our territory – this is something I never thought I would do.” Lt. Col. A., a reserve pilot in the same unit, described a fog of confusion: “I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them.” A report on the Apache squadrons by the Israeli outlet Yedioth Aharanoth noted that “the pilots realized that there was tremendous difficulty in distinguishing within the occupied outposts and settlements who was a terrorist and who was a soldier or civilian… The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the targets.”

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I was on mobile. At this point I am increasingly certain that the vast majority of the Israeli deaths from Oct 7th were committed by Israeli troops, either by gunship or tank. That thing westerners love to say about asians, the whole "no respect for human life" thing? Always just projection.

At this point I'm going to just call every person who speaks the slightest bit in defense of Israel a genocidal monster to their faces.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Say what you want about the zionists and their "human shield"-rationalisations for indiscriminate slaughter. They might be morally abhorrent but at least they're committed to the bit.

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