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Don't forget the severe, widespread lead poisoning that affected anyone born before about 1980.
I don't really care why at this point. He should have never been allowed out
Yes he should have, but under 24-hr supervision.
Herein lies the biggest issue with those who suffer from severe mental health issues ... warehousing them in a jail is stupid, yet that's what happens almost every single time.
Maybe instead of increasing cop's budgets exponentially, take 30% of that money and invest it in supports for people who need it, esp mentally ill people.
If he’s functioning at a kindergarten level he actually should legally be under 24 hour supervision, just like a kindergartner.
He should also have as much access to guns as a kindergartner ( zero).
We mostly need jail that's not 100% punitive. If there were mental health services in there and a LOT less abuse, there should be zero issue with "locking up" mentally incompetent people: it would be exactly the 24/7 observation and help you're asking for.
We had those in the US, but Reagan shut them down instead of properly regulating them.
Because they were literal shitholes in decrepit buildings who had loooong histories of viciously abusing their residents.
The problem was they needed to be shut down, but first local supports needed to be put into place for them. Instead Reagan just booted people into the streets with zero money, zero training and zero supports. This was the start of the massive unhoused population increase you see playing out today.
Btw the same thing happened at the same time in Canada, because we had a right-wing gov't who was Reagan's lapdog.
No, they didn't need to be shut down. They needed to be regulated and funded.
Byberry opened in 1907 and closed in 1990.
Trans-Allegheny opened in 1863 and closed in 1994.
Willard Asylum opened in 1869 and closed in 1995.
Danvers opened in 1878 and closed in 1985.
These are just a few in the institutions that closed. As you can see the buildings were extremely old, so refurbishing/rebuilding them without fed funding (Reagan cut it in 1981) was impossible without massive tax increases neither the feds or states wanted.
The stories attached also tell of abuses that occured in each institution.
Bullshit.
Reagan cut funding as part of his "trickle down fails yet again like it always has" and that is why they weren't funded. No increase was needed, slashing funding was the problem. Don't repeat Reagan's lies.
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People needing mental health care should NEVER be in a jail. Full stop.
So because he had pneumonia-induced brain damage, he should be permanently imprisoned?
He should be prevented from being free in society since he has demonstrated he's too dangerous to be out unsupervised.
Whatever form that restriction takes is up for discussion, saying he's not fit to stand trial and then letting him loose is obviuosly not the answer.
I didn't say it was.
Yes. That's exactly the discussion. Where will you put him, if not jail?
My opinion in an ideal world is to bring back asylums but do it proper this time with careful consideration for due process, checks and balances, and fair conditions.
But the realistic side of me knows that's a big ask and doesn't trust the government to do anything right.
There's also a part of me that thinks, for certain crimes it's a [I'm drawing a blank on the word here] that you're mentally-ill because no sane person would do ___________ and anyone that does ________ should be in prison.
Ultimately I think asylums for the ones where there's no hope of improvement or that become murderous when off their meds, and remote rehab facility type things for the ones that are less serious.
I appreciate the detail, and I don't disagree with anything you've written. I simply have a problem with people who look at a situation like this and their immediate reaction is "that person should be locked up." (not saying you said that, mind you)
To those people, I say: We tried involuntary institutionalization for a long, long time, and it was an unmitigated disaster where people with legitimate mental illnesses were driven more into psychosis as a result of subhuman treatment and relentless stigma. We know a lot more about mental illness than we did just a few short decades ago, and the longer we ignore that those maladies are just as much "illnesses" as things like the flu, the more we invite violence like this. Mental illness is a problem none of us give a single shit about until an untreated, hopelessly abandoned person with a crippling mental illness does something that directly impacts one of the rest of us. Then suddenly it's knives out. None of us want to pay enough to fix the system, we just want to bitch and complain inside our safe little bubbles where we can rely on a retributive justice system to repeatedly dole out harsh punishment that gives us an illusory sense of security so we can go back to our normal lives. Folks fire off "thoughts and prayers", we put the person in jail (or to death), wash, rinse, repeat.
Sorry for the rant. Coming from someone who lost a bipolar family member to suicide, people like this piss me the fuck off, and I just had to put it out there.
He could be police officer in 6 months.
And then his murder could be charged with a mere $35.50 charge on failing to yield to a pedestrian causing bodily injury.
Yes. If that's what you call a care facility.
In any case, he clearly shouldn't be out in society. If he's not responsible for his own actions, he should be in a place where other people are responsible. How can you actually advocate for a violent,, mentally deficient man to be out and about, with access to guns? Clearly you don't give a shit about his young victim and her family, or the kids and mother he terrorized previously.
When you're threatening my family do you think I give a flying fuck about my attackers mental well being? It's not my problem, it's not my concern.
No.
I don't call prison a care facility.
Not unsupervised, no. He should be granted access to shelter and provided treatment. He should have a permanent legal guardian. If he cannot afford one, or one does not volunteer, one should be appointed by the state. Our taxes should pay for a competent, trained, and well-staffed social services program that can meet demand and ensure his safety and the safety of others around him. He should be barred from owning or possessing a weapon. It's amazing how many valid alternatives you can come up with when you go one step further than "hE sHoUlDn'T bE lEt OuT1!!!"
I didn't say anything of the sort, jackass. Shove your knee-jerk righteous indignation where the sun don't shine, broseph.
So long as you understand that you're advocating that we indefinitely imprison the mentally ill, I don't give a shit what you think, say, or do.