What is the deal with Palestine and Hamas? (lemmy.world)

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For mental health reasons, I had taken myself out of most political topics. But lately there seems to be a surge of talk about Palestine and Hamas (forgive me if I spelled this wrong). I do know it’s something to do with land rights, but it also seems to be so much more at the same time. I’m not trying to start any fights. I just want to understand. Thank you.

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago

Palestinians are denied human rights by Israel.

Israel prevents formation of peaceful political groups in Gaza, but allows Hamas as “preferred opposition”.

This supports Israel’s goal of genocide against Palestinians and provides a convenient excuse for bombing civilians.

[+] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com -8 points 1 year ago

Not really.

Basically there were arguments about land for 70 years (arabs never agreed to any compromise). Then on 7th October, Hamas (a terrorist organization) attacked Israel and Israel responded (they had a right to) but it’s debatable whether the response was appropriate.

And so there are big losses on both sides but more people from Gaza were killed.

[-] simple@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and Israel responded (they had a right to) but it’s debatable whether the response was appropriate.

Are you kidding me? Their "response" was bombing ~2 million innocent people out of their homes and telling them that they shouldn't have been there. Imagine if someone from Japan bombed China, and China's response was bombing random people in Tokyo.

Their response was absolutely not appropriate unless you love genocide. The situation is not nuanced, people act like it is so they don't have to take a side.

[-] stewsters@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Imagine if someone from Japan bombed China, and China's response was bombing random people in Tokyo.

That's actually super common response. The US did exactly that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

[-] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago

I do not necessarily agree with that. The main goal have always been to get rid of terrorists but because they are in the middle of inhabited zones, it’s actually quite tough not to end up with civil causalities.

[-] DaDragon@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That does leave out the highly questionable ‘settlements’ in Palestinian territories…

[-] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

Israel left Gaza in 2005. There are no settlements there. Hamas is only in Gaza.

Regarding the West Bank, according to the international law, some areas are illegally occupied. In addition, even the Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that Israel is holding West Bank under "belligerent occupation".

[-] DaDragon@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

The west bank counts as part of Palestine. That’s all I said. And to my knowledge Hamas uses those settlements to further their agenda of ‘Israel bad’.

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