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/c/café daily chat thread for 14 July 2023
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I was trying to find all sorts of articles etc but then it would be overwhelming, so i'm gonna say, if you need to read anything, it's just this one: Training and Diet are Simple Because Your Body is Complex
the other comments you've got are all pretty much sensible advice, and try to figure out your best way forward using the state of mind in the article I linked. fwiw that site is very popular for people into strength training, but their advice has been very sensible. your body is optimized to keep you alive - being healthy while you're alive is pretty much only a bonus. The state of the literature like I mentioned shows the variety of pathways a person can be healthy with - I mean just a couple of months ago, apparently eating ice-cream regularly is probably good for certain types of diabetes (because of how it impacts the blood sugar level). One research (I'm sharing my other forum's discussion on it, because NYT and gated academic wall) indicates that there seems to be no optimal diet really for our species, based on the various cultures studied; despite the wide range of eating habits (don't forget the indigenous people near the Arctic basically live off of seal fat), people seem to show the same general range of good health.
ETA: And in this discussion, it's about the critical baseline flaw in obesity research (and subsequent findings, preliminary or otherwise, that inform the diet and fitness industry). And if there's one outmoded 'talking point' that no one actually takes seriously on the research side, is the idea of Calorie-In-Calorie-Out. Too much contradictory evidence especially since nutrition science honestly really became a thing in the 20th century, it's only recently we're getting more proper longitudinal/long-term data from the same groups of people.
Thanks for citing the article! I agree with it honestly because things just differ between people. Out body is just complex and even nutritionists can only speak in general
eating ice-cream is good for diabetes? did the ice-cream makers fund that paper? 😄
lolol see, how that "common sense" bias tripped you up? XD Nutrition Science’s Most Preposterous Result
sources cited:
2018 Sep 07: Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Doctor of Science Dissertation: "Dairy Products and Cardiometabolic Health Outcomes" by Andres V. Ardisson Korat, advisor Frank B. Hu.
2016 Feb 24: The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: "Consumption of dairy foods and diabetes incidence: a dose-response meta-analysis of observational studies" by Lieke Gijsbers, Eric L Ding [wait, that Eric L. (Feigl-) Ding? -- S.] et al.:
2002 April 24: JAMA (journal): "Dairy Consumption, Obesity, and the Insulin Resistance Syndrome in Young Adults: The CARDIA Study." by Pereira MA, Jacobs, Jr DR, et al. doi:10.1001/jama.287.16.2081
there's also evidence that the nutrient composition o potatoes for example, can lead to good health outcomes inc. weight loss.
ETA: forgot to add. re: ice-cream - this is one of those little petua pregnant women get, in order to control for the risk of gestational diabetes. BODIES ARE WEIRD.