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Where did you get that idea from? Even the pope accepts evolution and the big bang as creation history. Religion accepts scientific truth all the time, they just attach "... because of god" to everything.
Yup, and they’ll say the same if extraterrestrial life is discovered - that god created them, because he created the universe.
Yeah, in fact many scientists were and are genuinely religious and did their research in accordance to their belief, not in opposition. Now that used to be more true than today, but you can bend a lot in "yeah, that's also part of what God made" or straight-up just push mistakes on humans. "Yeah, we misunderstood God there".
So why do they think monkeys should evolve from peanut butter?
That is just as stupid a statement as "scientists believe we evolved from monkeys". Not even the strongest believers I erer met claimed something like that.
https://youtu.be/FZFG5PKw504
Deal with it
Some dumbass on youtube is not "they" when we are talking about "abrahamic religion". How fucking difficult is that for you to understand?
Doesn't know who Ray Comfort is and is engaging in religious apologetics. Hehehe
You think they never changed?
What do you think Christmas is and where it came from?
Christmas was placed around the winter solistice to make conversion of 'pagans' easier in an "oh my god! you have a holiday then? so do I! what a coincidence! we should totally bump religions'' manner.
But in the context of change, with respect to the fundamentals of the faith, Christmas is about as relevant to the religion as seasonal events in MMOs are to end game content. Christianity has many different flavours around the world depending on what local beliefs were absorbed. Just have a look at church calendars from different countries and see what saints are celebrated year round.
Arguing change in abrahamic religions, you probably would have had a bit more success discussing the great schism of 1054 or the protestant reformation, but even those keep the same basic belief system of existence of god, him having a son, existence of a heaven and a hell and such (fun fact - there's no purgatory in the teachings of the catholic orthodox church - the full name for eastern orthodoxy).
Or, looking at other abrahamic religions you could argue that people that practice judaism have a saying along the lines that 3 rabbis have 4 opinions on a topic - an indicator of constant change in the world'a first monotheistic religion.
Fair points. I originally had the shism in my comment, but decided to keep it simple with a single example.
It might not be enough for you, but I do think the argument that "The entire point of abrahamic religions is to never change." is so weak, that it can be disproven with a single argument out of many.
I would also not dismiss the importance of Christmas. Might I remind you of the legandary Christmas Truce in World War I? Christmas was so important to these people that it managed to be a bridge between two fighting forces where people on individual points of the front stopped killing each other even for just a bit.
Yeah if anything they have proven to be incredibly adaptable . Absorbing local pagan rituals to stay popular/relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_paganism#Pagan_influences_on_Christianity. I'm sure they would find a mental-gymnastics way to rationalise intelligent life on another planet and how it's all part of God's plan.
Yeah, letting people keep their rituals is generally a smart move. The romans did it too, just went over and said most of the time "yeah, your traditions are valid, they are part of our religion too, so keep trucking on". Takes a lot of explosive pressure away when occupying other cultures, since religion is really really powerful and can be easily used to organize against occupiers.
Abrahamic religions cover Judaism (more than 2000 years), Islam (less than 2000 years), Christianity and a bunch of smaller off shoots.
I’m not sure where you’re getting that the point of abrahamic religions is to never change. Every few hundred years in Christianity there’s a huge shift. Right now, there some very loud and influential people who are trying to go back to 1950s Christianity but event that is very different than 150CE Christianity.