621
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2023
621 points (95.1% liked)
News
23311 readers
2278 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
"Hey, I'm not that other guy!"
What a sales pitch. Pathetic, but after the Trump and Biden presidencies, we understand really well why the rich and powerful want geriatrics who can't form coherent sentences to run our country.
This is a dishonest response. Biden has been very clear that his administration has made great strides in helping the country recover from the economic impacts of COVID, with record low unemployment and bringing down inflation to normal levels. His American Rescue Plan has stimulated the economy while repairing our failing infrastructure and expanding sustainable energy. If you actually listened to his speeches you would know all this, and that he is a fat more coherent speaker than the last two or three Republican presidents.
Hard to have high unemployment when people need three jobs to survive.
Blame corpo greed. They all saw an opportunity to raise prices without raising wages and we're all suffering the consequences.
I mean, if a Hitler clone showed up and started running for president, and my only other option was "not Hitler", that's pretty much all I need to know.
Yeah, but you've just watched three years of 'Not Hitler' doing jack shit to stop Hitler Clone, so I don't really share your optimism or enthusiasm.
In fact, by doing nothing about the rapid acceleration of housing scarcity and the increase in cost of living, Not Hitler has made it much, much easier for Hitler Clone to get elected.
"Not Hitler made it easier for Hitler Clone to get elected, that's why I'm voting for Hitler Clone!"
Okay then.
There's two ways out of this situation:
A complete denial of Republicans Far Right bullshit until they put up palatable candidates, at which point you can hold Dems accountable without risking full blown fascism.
Burn the whole thing down and hope there's something to recover from the ashes.
I'm not voting for Hitler Clone.
I'm voting third party.
You're just rationalizing your vote to help usher in fascism, and that's perfectly fine. I guess it'll take another 40 years of watching the nation regress before you realize that, maybe, the lesser evil isn't as lesser as you think it is.
The Dems aren't great, but I'll take 40 years of regression over near instant fascism, the end of democracy and a series of genocides against trans people, sexual degenerates, socialists, and the racial minorities that are supposedly polluting white bloodlines in a heartbeat.
Grow the fuck up, and stop risking democracy and lives for the sake of your virtue signalling - the ballot box isn't the place for activism - you've got 1,459 other days per elective cycle for that.
You know what you get if you vote third-party? Fucking murdered by the fascists.
Ah, the way Hitler Clone got elected the first time! I'm sure the results will be better the 2nd time...
So, you're saying we could have 40 years in which we could fucking do something like raise awareness, protests, and the like, or we could let Hitler Clone gain power now and hope it burns everything down quickly and we're able to rebuild from the ashes.
Not at all.
You all were so cocky, arrogant, and self-assured of victory in 2016 that you were making reaction videos the night before as if Hillary had already won.
You didn't start blaming us until 10:00PM on election night when you realized maybe, just maybe, you should have cared more about workers and the middle class.
And now history is repeating itself. Can't expect workers to back you if they can't afford to miss a day of work, which coincidentally, is why I vote third party.
That's actually factually untrue.
If a third party receives a certain percentage of the vote, they qualify for public funding.
My vote serves a purpose even if it doesn't elect the candidate the wealthy want elected.
That third party bullshit is why Trump was elected in the first place. We're not in a time or area where we should be putting our votes in a third party. The country and our constitution is in danger, get the vote in for the people who aren't fascists and then we can work on reforming the voting systems to allow more parties to have an actual shot at offices.
Spoken as someone who felt third party was the way to go in 2016 and deeply regrets allowing bad shit to happen to my country
Who wins against Trump? Newsome? RFK Jr.? Joe Exotic?
If we elect a Democrat or Republican no one in the poor or middle class wins.
Where have you been the last 40 years?
Hell, we elected Joe Biden resoundingly, with a Democratic Congress. What did we get for it? A 30-50% increase in cost of living (depending on where you live), the loss of Roe vs Wade, and record war spending. And he didn't do anything meaningful to stop fascism.
You have so many things wrong in your comment.
Biden's Congress and agenda rested on a thin margin in the Senate, with people like Manchin and Sinema voting against important pieces. What he can do unilaterally, he did, but he can't do that for everything. Then Republicans took the House.
Biden didn't cause private, for profit corporations to raise their prices, the corporations chose to do that because they knew they could. They could have simply made a little less money, but they chose to pass any increase in global supply chain costs off to the consumers. Not to mention that inflation around the world is much worse than it is here. But I suppose you'd never give Biden credit for that, huh?
Roe v Wade was overturned by a Supreme Court controlled by right wing judges that were appointed by presidents other than Biden. Three of them were appointed by Trump. Again, Biden can't act unilaterally to undo that or to pass abortion protections, and Manchin proved that he wasn't going to be any help. So wtf do you even want Biden to do?
And with your point on fascism, again, what the hell do you want him to do? Trump is on trial four different ways in multiple jurisdictions. The fact that it's been slow going is a consequence of our legal system and Trump's resources to be able to abuse it. The wheels is justice turn slowly, and that's Biden's fault?
You sound like someone who doesn't know how the government and judicial system works, and is woefully ignorant of the nuts and bolts of policy. You seem genuinely upset that Biden hasn't magically fixed every problem in 2.5 years, and you're holding it against him for some reason. That wouldn't be an issue, except people like you, who are going to cross your arms and pout come next November are going to allow Trump to be reelected.
And trust me when I say that he will do active harm to the things you care about. Don't risk it.