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What a dumb response. There's nothing wrong with tweaking history to improve a story, but claiming "It could be true. Who really knows?" is just pretentious puffery. Like the entirety of historical study around Napoleon is equivalent to Ridley Scott's made up stories. What a tool.
😂 That response sounds like moron creationists when you explain evolution to them.
Not sounds like, literally is. That was the crux of Ken Ham's argument when he debated Bill Nye. I'm not sure why he doesn't apply it to his own Bible.
Big "do your own research!" energy.
Ok, but hear me out. What if: aliens?
That’s James Cameron.
Second thing is age. Phoenix is 49. Bonaparte died at 51, after six years exile on Saint Helens. You can say what you want, Phoenix does look the part, but it's easy too old.
Just like Dafoe playing van Gogh it's just not right.
On the other hand, I think a Hollywood actor with the benefit of modern medicine has probably aged better than someone with a particularly stressful job in the 18th/19th century
To a point. But twenty years is quite significant. If any it's more miraculous that Napoleon archieved what he did when he was in his early thirties.
To portray that correctly would be an hommage.
Plus I don't really like the fact that older established actors get all these character roles. I mean I get it, but I don't like it.
Eh, do we really need to pay so much homage to a warmongering autocrat?
It certainly makes for interesting history but we don't need to lick up to them.
Maybe an hommage was too grand a word. I prefer less aggrandizing versions of his story like 'blundering to victory' which make the case that he only prevailed due to the ineptitude of his opponents and insight of his generals (mainly Davout).
However the minuteness of changes he had and the gall necessary to actually realize what he archieved are worthy of a story. It's a definite case of reality being stranger than fiction.
I don't really care about that. If it makes for a good movie, then why should it matter? It's his attitude about it all that's uncalled for.
Fair enough, I just think it's silly and an exemplar of Scott not giving a monkeys about the historical person.
A valid answer from Ridley would be that his adaptation makes for a better story and that's acceptable. But blowing off the historians like that is pretentious.
Exactly
I mean, it's a Hollywood movie telling a story.. if you care about 100% historical accuracy, Hollywood is not who you're getting it from, nor should you expect it at this point. It's entertainment, not education.
I don't expect it, however I do really appreciate it when they make an effort.
Should have gone with Steve Buscemi?
Hah!
This is just pure arrogance. I think everyone understands you can take artistic licence, or even completely disregard history and do pure fiction, but don't go claiming you know the history better than historians.
I'm just afraid, based on the critiques, that he has made it into MTV's Real World Napoleon.